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Nov 22, 2020 11:31:02   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
soba1 wrote:
Frank please, I think you and KM are afraid of dying because unless you repent and cry out to Jesus u know hell awaits when u leave this life.


They aren’t afraid., they like I are just disgusted and angry because a large number of the American deaths are easily preventable if only recommended precautions of masking, distancing and proper washing were followed.

Don’t confuse fear with anger And disgust ! That is nothing but a lame pivot from facts and truth.

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Nov 22, 2020 11:46:57   #
btbg
 
Tex-s wrote:
Not only is your math correct, but because it does not attempt to differentiate infection rates between age groups nor death rates between those of different ages who get infected (in addition to not estimating asymptomatic folks), the actual survival rate for folks under 55 is in excess of 99.8% , a number far higher than pneumonia, and a number on par with the seasonal flu. It's only the older who are at substantially higher risk.

This stat alone is proof that the economy should chug along and schools should be open. Sports, band, choir, cheer, drama, etc should ALL be back in place. The economy, as a whole, is powered by the 55 and under group.

A post from me showing the numbers as of a few days ago:

Here is the only location where the CDC puts useful stats, but they are obfuscating lately, with overlapping age brackets.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Taking the data from age 0-55 the total covid deaths are 18830.
Then taking the age demographics from this link and an estimate of 330 million US residents:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

one gets a population of 0-55 at 69% of the US population

69% of the 11 million Covid infections is 7 590 000, should the distribution be approximately the same as the overall percentage....

18830 / 7 590 000 = .00248 or 99.752% survival rate for those under 55, not 60 as I stated. That number, too, assumes an equal infection rate across ages, and we all know that the 18-35 bracket are WAY more likely to be infected than older folks who have a just reason to fear Covid.

Adjusted for infection rates, the survival per infection for those under 55 is more than 99.8%

I for one cite real numbers, presuming we are trusting the CDC anyway. The news IS good, especially with 2 vaccines coming to market months or even years earlier than CNN spent months 'fact-checking'.
Not only is your math correct, but because it does... (show quote)


And, your data is not counting all the people who get covid and either have no symptoms or minor symptoms and never get tested. A group that is likely quite large since the CDC says 40 percent of those who get covid are asymptomatic and we know that there have to be others who never go get tested that have minor symptoms. That actually makes the morbidity rate for those under 55 even lower than you have calculated. Probably significantly lower.

Also, if you look at the data ages 55-65 are not at a huge risk either it isn't until about 75 that the risk becomes very high unless there are serious preexisting conditions.

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Nov 22, 2020 11:51:23   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Someone should inform the overworked hospital doctors, nurses, and medical workers that statistically, everything is hunky-dorky. The virus is under control just as Trump has promised.


The hospitals are under control. There is plenty of excess hospital beds. That's what flattening the curve is supposed to do and has done. What did you expect the President of the United States to do, eradicate the virus?
Hospital workers are are Not overworked from Covid cases. That is a fact.

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Nov 22, 2020 11:54:38   #
redlegfrog
 
soba1 wrote:
Frank please, I think you and KM are afraid of dying because unless you repent and cry out to Jesus u know hell awaits when u leave this life.


Dude! nailed it!!

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Nov 22, 2020 11:55:01   #
Triple G
 
Fotoartist wrote:
The hospitals are under control. There is plenty of excess hospital beds. That's what flattening the curve is supposed to do and has done. What did you expect the President of the United States to eradicate the virus?
Hospital workers are are Not overworked from Covid cases. That is a fact.


Personal accounts from 4 family members in IL, 2 in TX, and 2 in OH say very differently.

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Nov 22, 2020 11:57:28   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
The only reason I brought up God is because Km is so fearful of COVID and dying.
It really saddens me that people are so afraid.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:02:43   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
soba1 wrote:
Frank please, I think you and KM are afraid of dying because unless you repent and cry out to Jesus u know hell awaits when u leave this life.


I know Jesus. His full name is Jesus Mendez and I work with him.
He's a Jesus I can believe in, not some invisible man in the sky who is allegedly born in the Mideast but with genes from Sweeden.

BTW, I don't believe in hell, either.

Forget about your superstitions and take responsibility for your own actions, the way that Wiccans and Witches do. They could teach you a lot.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:03:28   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Your math is essentially correct. However, your results don't sell newspapers or garner advertising dollars for the news media. Additionally, your math doesn't support attacks on government officials the news media doesn't favor.
--Bob
Bison Bud wrote:
I got interested in the actual overall percentages we are dealing with for Covid infections and deaths and the results somewhat shocked me. I looked up the total USA population (not sure if this includes undocumented persons) and found the figure to currently be 331 million. I then looked up the current numbers for Covid infections and deaths at around 12 million infections and around 254,000 deaths. While I don't want to belittle the fact that people are dying from this infection and that these infections are on the rise, I calculated from this data that the total number of infections is around 3.7% and the total deaths are around .08% of the total population. This also calculates to around a 2.2% death rate for those infected. Please check my math for yourself!

Anyway, it sounds to me like the math shows that we are doing a reasonably good job of containing and treating this new virus even if the numbers are rising again.
Although I don't know the actual definition of a "Pandemic," these percentages seem to be rather low when you consider that 96.3% of the total population has managed to stay uninfected since February and 99.92% have not died from it either. Again, I don't want to belittle those that have suffered and/or lost loved ones due to this infection, but with the Governor of this State once again closing down schools, shutting down restaurants, bars, and other businesses, I have to wonder why the vast majority of the population has to give up their jobs, businesses, and incomes due to government mandates, especially when democracy is supposed to be majority rules. Sure we need to try to control this infection and everyone should be smart enough to not gather in large numbers, wear masks, and use proper distancing, but do we really need to shut down life as we know it and send many businesses and employees into bankruptcy, etc. Geese, we can't all live in total isolation and the economy may never recover if we keep shutting everything down. At least in my opinion, the government should be more concerned with getting a viable vaccine distributed as quickly as possible. Frankly, even the drug giant Phizer has stated that their vaccine is and has been ready to go and 95% effective, but held back the application for approval for political reasons until after the election. That's criminal in my eyes, but approval and distribution should be the highest priority for all involved at this time!
I got interested in the actual overall percentages... (show quote)

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Nov 22, 2020 12:11:39   #
pendennis
 
Tex-s wrote:
Not only is your math correct, but because it does not attempt to differentiate infection rates between age groups nor death rates between those of different ages who get infected (in addition to not estimating asymptomatic folks), the actual survival rate for folks under 55 is in excess of 99.8% , a number far higher than pneumonia, and a number on par with the seasonal flu. It's only the older who are at substantially higher risk.

This stat alone is proof that the economy should chug along and schools should be open. Sports, band, choir, cheer, drama, etc should ALL be back in place. The economy, as a whole, is powered by the 55 and under group.

A post from me showing the numbers as of a few days ago:

Here is the only location where the CDC puts useful stats, but they are obfuscating lately, with overlapping age brackets.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Taking the data from age 0-55 the total covid deaths are 18830.
Then taking the age demographics from this link and an estimate of 330 million US residents:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

one gets a population of 0-55 at 69% of the US population

69% of the 11 million Covid infections is 7 590 000, should the distribution be approximately the same as the overall percentage....

18830 / 7 590 000 = .00248 or 99.752% survival rate for those under 55, not 60 as I stated. That number, too, assumes an equal infection rate across ages, and we all know that the 18-35 bracket are WAY more likely to be infected than older folks who have a just reason to fear Covid.

Adjusted for infection rates, the survival per infection for those under 55 is more than 99.8%

I for one cite real numbers, presuming we are trusting the CDC anyway. The news IS good, especially with 2 vaccines coming to market months or even years earlier than CNN spent months 'fact-checking'.
Not only is your math correct, but because it does... (show quote)


There is also the "unknown", which is how much COVID-19 will penetrate the population. A viruses doesn't recognize anything but its own survival. And as long as the virus has the strength, and can mutate, it will continue to spread. The best estimates are that the virus will penetrate to around 75% of the population before it becomes to weak to penetrate and replicate. At a population of 331 million, it will spread to approximately 249-250 million people. And as you mentioned, a huge number of those will be asymptomatic.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:19:08   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Frank T wrote:
I know Jesus. His full name is Jesus Mendez and I work with him.
He's a Jesus I can believe in, not some invisible man in the sky who is allegedly born in the Mideast but with genes from Sweeden.

BTW, I don't believe in hell, either.

Forget about your superstitions and take responsibility for your own actions, the way that Wiccans and Witches do. They could teach you a lot.


I’ve said all I’m going to say; for now

In Spanish it’s Hey Zues I know I know

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Nov 22, 2020 12:22:21   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Bazbo wrote:
The problem is not your math but your analysis and conclusion. But lets take your reasoning and apply it to another cataclysmisc ecent: WWII.

At the end of the conflict we had over 12 million under arms, and yet we suffered only 407000 combat deaths. Let's see...thats O.0033. By your analysis, WWII was no biggie, right?


And while on the subject, the 407k was after 4 years of war. COVID has given us 254k in 8 months. Let that sink in.

Oh, and one more thing: Doctors have to make life and death decisions about who gets care and who does not because our medical infrastructure is overwhelmed. So the dreaded Obamacare death panels have arrived at last. Only they have nothing to so with the ACA.
The problem is not your math but your analysis and... (show quote)


I may be wrong but my computation yields .033%.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:22:57   #
pfrancke Loc: cold Maine
 
soba1 wrote:
What party is stifling freedom, what party is enacting the most draconian measures.
He who is not against u is for you


"stifling freedom" - we just had a big vote, seems like undermining that process is "stifling freedom".

About numbers, if only 10 percent of Americans have been infected, then the butcher's bill will be over 2 Million dead Americans. It seems to me that "draconian" measures taken to control the virus (until vaccines are protecting us) is the appropriate path forward, not willfully sticking your head in the sand. Particularly if these "draconian" measures are as simple as wearing a mask and doing social distancing.

To equivalate Christianity and Freedom with not doing the responsible thing is just plain disgusting.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:23:38   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Triple G wrote:
Personal accounts from 4 family members in IL, 2 in TX, and 2 in OH say very differently.


I'll counter your anecdote with an anecdote from me. My wife is and has been in two hospitals in the Detroit area at this time and they are nearly deserted.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:24:00   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Fotoartist wrote:
The hospitals are under control. There is plenty of excess hospital beds. That's what flattening the curve is supposed to do and has done. What did you expect the President of the United States to eradicate the virus?
Hospital workers are are Not overworked from Covid cases. That is a fact.


Did you do a survey of hospital workers? How did you arrive at this conclusion? And please, present these facts.

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Nov 22, 2020 12:24:08   #
Triple G
 
Fotoartist wrote:
You want an anecdote from me. My wife is and has been in two hospitals in the Detroit area and they are near deserted.


So strange! My state is also struggling.

https://www.tn.gov/health/cedep/ncov/data/hospitalization-data/current-covid-hospitalizations.html

https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/10/23/covid-cases-hospitalizations-michigan/5991877002/

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