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Nov 14, 2020 17:37:02   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
User ID wrote:
Good for you.

I have three upper rank Olympae, with dozens of bells and whistles ... which is what makes it so remarkable that they’d screw up the most basic button of all.


But are you talking the regular menu or the Super Control Panel menu? Or the separate button for AFL / AEL?

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Nov 14, 2020 23:46:02   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Wow, lot of areas are being touched by this thread.

Most of the serious photographers- from amatuer to propfessionals started with film. I started with film too but in reality, my very first digital camera is a celphone. It takes a really awful photo of 640x480 pixels but at that time i was happy with it. Today, they can easily give a dedicated camera used by an incompetent photographer a run for his money.
CP's has a big advantage when it comes to usability. Its portable, easy to use, always with us and makes decent photo in a wide range of lighting situations. It goes to say that phones have been ahead of the curve when it comes to delivering the goods to the general public. This meant that we who buys DSLR's, Film Cameras, Point & shoots and Mirrorless are not the general public. We are a niche that manufacturers should be careful to keep happy, excited and interested. More on this later.

My very first dedicated digital camera was a Spypen Actor. It was an 800x600 pixel digital still & an AVI 320x240 video camera. It was a tad better than what was in the phones at that time and Photoshop 5 was still the rage. It was still film SLR for serious work as the digital scene has just been born. A Kodak & 2 Canon digital point and shoot came afterwards.
It took nearly a decade and a half before i decided to ride the DSLR bandwagon. I got myself a D5300 to test the waters then a D610 & D7100 when i decided to jump in. The 5300 & 7100 got sold later replaced by a D7200 preferring it over the d7500*. Aside from those, a D3300 was purchased just as it came out for my daughter who was showing interest in photography.

My personal take on these, Each of these cameras and their series are good shooters but juggling through them is a nightmare. Few buttons of the same function are common amongst them. Useful functions like the articulated screen & GPS appears on the low end model disappear or are less functional on the higher one. With regards to focus, the video is crap in all of them. The Canon point & shoot does a better video than these expensive DSLR's.

The point being is that if Nikon or any other dedicated camera manufacturer want to remain viable and competitive, they should re-think deep.
*Their models are not a step-up in which the lower ones are an introduction to a better unit. They generally stand on their own which makes getting a newer series, do not feel like a good choice. They even keep away from present technology. As an example, celphones have been using touch screens for a decade but still these cameras that were released at those time don't.
They are also taking away the tools that make us happy. Manual is king, but few lenses have aperture rings now.

As I've said, we are a niche. Most of us are brand loyal. We need to be treated better to keep us in the fold and to attract new ones to join in. They need to understand that in the end, we still choose to buy or not depending on how good we see the offer.

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Nov 15, 2020 01:40:55   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Wallen wrote:
Wow, lot of areas are being touched by this thread.

Most of the serious photographers- from amatuer to propfessionals started with film. I started with film too but in reality, my very first digital camera is a celphone. It takes a really awful photo of 640x480 pixels but at that time i was happy with it. Today, they can easily give a dedicated camera used by an incompetent photographer a run for his money.
CP's has a big advantage when it comes to usability. Its portable, easy to use, always with us and makes decent photo in a wide range of lighting situations. It goes to say that phones have been ahead of the curve when it comes to delivering the goods to the general public. This meant that we who buys DSLR's, Film Cameras, Point & shoots and Mirrorless are not the general public. We are a niche that manufacturers should be careful to keep happy, excited and interested. More on this later.

My very first dedicated digital camera was a Spypen Actor. It was an 800x600 pixel digital still & an AVI 320x240 video camera. It was a tad better than what was in the phones at that time and Photoshop 5 was still the rage. It was still film SLR for serious work as the digital scene has just been born. A Kodak & 2 Canon digital point and shoot came afterwards.
It took nearly a decade and a half before i decided to ride the DSLR bandwagon. I got myself a D5300 to test the waters then a D610 & D7100 when i decided to jump in. The 5300 & 7100 got sold later replaced by a D7200 preferring it over the d7500*. Aside from those, a D3300 was purchased just as it came out for my daughter who was showing interest in photography.

My personal take on these, Each of these cameras and their series are good shooters but juggling through them is a nightmare. Few buttons of the same function are common amongst them. Useful functions like the articulated screen & GPS appears on the low end model disappear or are less functional on the higher one. With regards to focus, the video is crap in all of them. The Canon point & shoot does a better video than these expensive DSLR's.

The point being is that if Nikon or any other dedicated camera manufacturer want to remain viable and competitive, they should re-think deep.
*Their models are not a step-up in which the lower ones are an introduction to a better unit. They generally stand on their own which makes getting a newer series, do not feel like a good choice. They even keep away from present technology. As an example, celphones have been using touch screens for a decade but still these cameras that were released at those time don't.
They are also taking away the tools that make us happy. Manual is king, but few lenses have aperture rings now.

As I've said, we are a niche. Most of us are brand loyal. We need to be treated better to keep us in the fold and to attract new ones to join in. They need to understand that in the end, we still choose to buy or not depending on how good we see the offer.
Wow, lot of areas are being touched by this thread... (show quote)


Your last paragraph said it all. Thanks.

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Nov 15, 2020 09:12:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The ultimate measure of a person is not their mistakes or accomplishments, but what brand they shoot.

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Nov 15, 2020 12:32:06   #
User ID
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The ultimate measure of a person is not their mistakes or accomplishments, but what brand they shoot.

Many peep’s mistakes or accomplishments is nothing more or less than the brand they shoot.

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Nov 15, 2020 12:58:13   #
User ID
 
wdross wrote:
But are you talking the regular menu or the Super Control Panel menu? Or the separate button for AFL / AEL?

I’m talking about the most basic button, the shutter release, and its tie-in to the three AF/AEL options found via menu path <“gearwheel”/A1/AEL-AFL>.

That is from the EM1mkII menu. Other models may differ in details but all are limited to the same three choices.

Only one of the three removes AF from the shutter release. That option puts the AF onto the AEL button ... any button you assign to be your AEL button will be your BBAF button. Therefore you will have no AEL button.

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For me, this means if I want AF then I must work in full M-mode. Without a toggled AEL, any AE mode will alter the exposure as the framing of the scene changes. M-mode negates that problem completely.

But ... I’ve always found toggled AEL to offer a much more ergonomic method of manual exposure control. I use it on four other makes of camera. Only Olympus cameras disallow it.
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“M” is my default mode. All my mode dials are marked like this:
“M” is my default mode. All my mode dials are mark...
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Nov 15, 2020 13:01:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Followers think and talk about problems. Leaders think and talk about camera brands.

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Nov 15, 2020 13:06:57   #
User ID
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Followers think and talk about problems. Leaders think and talk about camera brands.


Without any followers would there really be any leaders ? Then perhaps just their voices in the wilderness.

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Nov 15, 2020 14:20:06   #
pego101
 
jeryh wrote:
I don't think their Z range has caught on, but this is in the UK- we're funny like that !


The problem in the uk is togs try to buy the zed 6 for example but there is no zed 6 or any zed camera so no sale.

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Nov 15, 2020 14:26:17   #
GPS Phil Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Followers think and talk about problems. Leaders think and talk about camera brands.


You have a unique way of keeping it stirred, carry on!

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Nov 15, 2020 18:04:40   #
User ID
 
pego101 wrote:
The problem in the uk is togs try to buy the zed 6 for example but there is no zed 6 or any zed camera so no sale.

A famous Englishman wrote:
”To zea or not to zea, zat iz zea queztion”.

Or mebbe he was zecretly French ? He did wear thoze frilly outfitz .....

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Nov 15, 2020 23:02:48   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
pego101 wrote:
The problem in the uk is togs try to buy the zed 6 for example but there is no zed 6 or any zed camera so no sale.


That is what i was noticing, there are less or no Nikons in the store shelves...

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Nov 16, 2020 08:03:07   #
jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
Wallen wrote:
I've been noticing there are fewer and fewer Nikon cameras for sale or on display in my area. Even in our own shop the majority items in display are Canon's & Sony.

I'm wondering if this is the end game for them. I hope not.


The only place I have seen a shortage of Nikon equipment is in the big box discount warehouse stores - Costco and Sam’s Club. The camera stores, and even Best Buy, seems to have a lot. I’ve gone to the Z6 mirrorless in the last year and love it; bought an additional lens a couple of months ago (at a regular camera store - Nikon and Canon set the prices and generally don’t allow discounting, so you really don’t save going to Best Buy vs. a Camera Store). But they’ve got plenty of Nikon gear (and they’re continuing to add additional Z mount lenses).

Nikon’s are also available through the “big internet” stores - i.e., B&H and Adorama, and Nikon’s recent layoffs are all outside of Japan, so no big problem. Nikon is part of the Mitsubishi Zaibatsu (sp?) in Japan, so I think they’re safe, at least for now.

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Nov 16, 2020 10:23:45   #
PatB66
 
billnikon wrote:
Nikon is not going away. Their new Z's are selling well. Along with the 500mm 5.6 FL lens. The new D860 and D510 will be introduced next year.
Nikon is a large company, camera's are only one division of that company. Unlike Canon.
Covid has taken a toll on all retailers.


You might ask how many cameras Nikon has to sell to equal the return from one Canon CT scanner or MRI. Or one of their Lithography machines or OLED panel machines.

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Nov 16, 2020 10:47:54   #
User ID
 
PatB66 wrote:
You might ask how many cameras Nikon has to sell to equal the return from one Canon CT scanner or MRI. Or one of their Lithography machines or OLED panel machines.

Yes, you might. Or might not.

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