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Nov 10, 2020 20:59:01   #
bleirer
 
Gene51 wrote:
I know your point - but I don't recall any annoucement of your appointment to the position of The Forum Etiquette Policeman - you picked the wrong thread to make your comment. Don clearly did not mind. And I was very clear when I said that I took the liberty to illustrate what I was suggesting - not that I thought my edit was better - and using it as a means of lending a little clarity to my explanation. It's my style. If someone is uncomfortable with it they are encouraged to let me know - I will not be offended. In this case, Don was more than ok with it, and the other edits that others made as well.

Trust me, I will never never ever take one of your pictures, edit it "re-post it, and say "here is a version of your photo that I like better" - I wouldn't waste my time. You really should try being constructive instead of playing the policeman. We are a visual people, and we tend to respond best to visual illustration than verbal explanation. BTW, there is no forum rule that addresses editing other people's work for editorial/educational purposes. So you are seriously off topic here, and doubling down is not going help you to make your point.
I know your point - but I don't recall any annouce... (show quote)


Here is the forum rule. Many here break it to the point it is becoming accepted practice and that has been bothering me probably because it has happened to me a few times and I didn't always say something,. Many are considerate enough to ask first. What if the OP didn't want it? We didn't know or ask him ahead of time. It was just lucky he said he didn't mind after the fact, but at the time had no way of knowing what his wishes were:

Please do not edit and re-upload other people's pictures without their explicit permission. In other words, you may not open someone's topic, download an image, edit it (that includes adjusting settings, cropping, adding/removing visual elements, etc.), re-post it, and say "here is a version of your photo that I like better" unless they specifically ask for it.

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Nov 10, 2020 22:01:57   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
bleirer wrote:
Here is the forum rule. Many here break it to the point it is becoming accepted practice and that has been bothering me probably because it has happened to me a few times and I didn't always say something,. Many are considerate enough to ask first. What if the OP didn't want it? We didn't know or ask him ahead of time. It was just lucky he said he didn't mind after the fact, but at the time had no way of knowing what his wishes were:

Please do not edit and re-upload other people's pictures without their explicit permission. In other words, you may not open someone's topic, download an image, edit it (that includes adjusting settings, cropping, adding/removing visual elements, etc.), re-post it, and say "here is a version of your photo that I like better" unless they specifically ask for it.
Here is the forum rule. Many here break it to the ... (show quote)


I think you may have your forums mixed up. These rules you quote are cut and pasted from the Photo Gallery Rules post. We have been in the Main Photography Discussion section which has entirely different rules.

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Nov 10, 2020 22:34:39   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
"How to Improve on Using Bokeh; Leading Lines; etc." Shooter41 as others have mentioned there are no "Leading Lines" in your image... and the bokeh is seriously rough and not aesthetically pleasing, it has no gradation from real to surreal...

How to improve you image? Capture the bird in flight... done!
Static bird imagery is boring... show us the magic of breathtaking flight...
Dynamic motion imparts life to a sterile two dimensional image...

Below please find in image with an actual Leading Golden Line... and aesthetically correct bokeh... combined with the dynamic motion of a prima ballerina who danced on pointe in the lead role of Clara in the Nutcracker with the Donetsk Ballet of Ukraine partnering with Viktor Yeliohin.

Rule Number One: Want to take breathtaking photos?
Then maybe put something breathtaking in front of your lens!

Hope this helps...
All the best on your journey Shooter41
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Taken with the Nikon AF DC-NIKKOR 135mm f/2D Lens on a D3x
Taken with the Nikon AF DC-NIKKOR 135mm f/2D Lens ...
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Nov 11, 2020 04:57:55   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bleirer wrote:
Here is the forum rule. Many here break it to the point it is becoming accepted practice and that has been bothering me probably because it has happened to me a few times and I didn't always say something,. Many are considerate enough to ask first. What if the OP didn't want it? We didn't know or ask him ahead of time. It was just lucky he said he didn't mind after the fact, but at the time had no way of knowing what his wishes were:

Please do not edit and re-upload other people's pictures without their explicit permission. In other words, you may not open someone's topic, download an image, edit it (that includes adjusting settings, cropping, adding/removing visual elements, etc.), re-post it, and say "here is a version of your photo that I like better" unless they specifically ask for it.
Here is the forum rule. Many here break it to the ... (show quote)


Wrong forum. Next time you seek to criticize another member for breaking a rule, make sure you have the correct rule and the correct forum - your apology is accepted, if and when you choose to offer one. SHM. . .

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Nov 11, 2020 05:35:45   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Shooter41 wrote:
I exposed this image of a female woodpecker this morning eating suet on my pole birdfeeder. I cropped it in Photoshop as best I could to take advantage of bokeh and leading lines. I would like to get better at guiding the eyes of viewers to the subject of my images through the use of bokeh; guiding lines and anything else that would help bring eyes to the subject. I welcome your suggestions what I could use and do to get better at bringing viewers eyes to the subject.


IMNSHO, you did very well in framing and focusing to isolate and display your subject.

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Nov 11, 2020 07:56:12   #
SonyBug
 
Shooter41 wrote:
I exposed this image of a female woodpecker this morning eating suet on my pole birdfeeder. I cropped it in Photoshop as best I could to take advantage of bokeh and leading lines. I would like to get better at guiding the eyes of viewers to the subject of my images through the use of bokeh; guiding lines and anything else that would help bring eyes to the subject. I welcome your suggestions what I could use and do to get better at bringing viewers eyes to the subject.


In general, the subject very large and centered is pleasing, so no direction needed. Otherwise I would use a rule of thirds and have the lines lead to the subject. There are lots of composition hints online, and studying the old masters could illuminate your knowledge. Hope this helps.

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Nov 11, 2020 08:03:57   #
bleirer
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
I think you may have your forums mixed up. These rules you quote are cut and pasted from the Photo Gallery Rules post. We have been in the Main Photography Discussion section which has entirely different rules.


Same rule in this section worded differently. Direct cut and paste: - Do not post content or images owned/authored by others without their permission.

Look, everyone doing it is trying to be helpful, but consider the possibility that people are different and not everyone wants their pictures changed by others. What's so hard about asking first?

I won't say anything more about it.

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Nov 11, 2020 10:47:56   #
Shooter41 Loc: Wichita, KS
 
Harry0 wrote:
IMNSHO, you did very well in framing and focusing to isolate and display your subject.


Thank you for your kind input and helpful information.

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Nov 11, 2020 11:20:20   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Th arch of the wrought iron frames the bird. The heavy vertical portion of the wrought iron drags my eye away from the woodpecker.

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Nov 11, 2020 11:24:51   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Shooter41 wrote:
I exposed this image of a female woodpecker this morning eating suet on my pole birdfeeder. I cropped it in Photoshop as best I could to take advantage of bokeh and leading lines. I would like to get better at guiding the eyes of viewers to the subject of my images through the use of bokeh; guiding lines and anything else that would help bring eyes to the subject. I welcome your suggestions what I could use and do to get better at bringing viewers eyes to the subject.


With a shot like this, the viewer's eyes can't help but go to the subject. Plus, you have framed it with the metal pole curve.

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Nov 11, 2020 12:05:30   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
bleirer wrote:
Same rule in this section worded differently. Direct cut and paste: - Do not post content or images owned/authored by others without their permission.

Look, everyone doing it is trying to be helpful, but consider the possibility that people are different and not everyone wants their pictures changed by others. What's so hard about asking first?

I won't say anything more about it.


Not to belabor this point, but the Main Photography Discussion and Photo Gallery section rules are not the same and for good reason. If someone posts a picture and asks for help they are giving their permission, albeit tacit permission. The purpose of the MPD section is to have discussions and receive help and feedback. That permission can easily be narrowed or revoked by simply stating so.

On the other hand, the PG section is primarily for displaying one's images and narrative to others to enjoy. But, this section does require the OP's explicit permission before modifying and reposting the OP's image.

All this is just common courtesy. If you want to have a discussion, be prepared for [courteous] responses even if you don't agree with them. If you ask for help, you hope to get good quality responses from experienced and/or knowledgeable people in their form of response. If you want to just display your images you don't want unsolicited criticism. Just be nice and we'll all have a lot of fun on this site.

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Nov 11, 2020 12:21:14   #
Shooter41 Loc: Wichita, KS
 
JeffDavidson wrote:
Th arch of the wrought iron frames the bird. The heavy vertical portion of the wrought iron drags my eye away from the woodpecker.


Thank you for your helpful reply and suggestion. Seeing Gene's explanation and wonderful edit, taught me a lot. Would you mind telling me if you think this second edited version of my own is an improvement with the bird feeder pole, and curved arm completely removed making my image simple and direct for the viewers. Please feel free to upload any and all of my images and show me what you can do when you edit. It is my contention that persons who are really good at anything, including photography, are not afraid of sharing their knowledge. They have worked hard to be excellent at what they do. They often have learned that very few will ever match their effort and success. When someone does reach excellence, they often become friends.


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Nov 11, 2020 12:59:52   #
willaim Loc: Sunny Southern California
 
I have no idea what you would want to change. The framing is excellent and the background is not distracting at all. Keep it the way it is.

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Nov 11, 2020 14:26:13   #
eagle80 Loc: Kutztown, PA
 
The background is very very bad.

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Nov 11, 2020 15:18:35   #
Shooter41 Loc: Wichita, KS
 
willaim wrote:
I have no idea what you would want to change. The framing is excellent and the background is not distracting at all. Keep it the way it is.


William...I want to thank you for your gentlemanly comments. I find it interesting that the background doesn't bother you or me, but that's not the case for some folks. What confuses me is the background is what was behind the subject when I took the picture. I shoot through my kitchen window, so I don't have the option of moving around a lot to change the background. So I am wondering if those complaining about the back ground are implying I should change out the background using masking in Photoshop, or just not show the photo at all. Do you mind sharing your thoughts on this matter. Thanks again.

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