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Oct 4, 2020 16:43:04   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
cambriaman wrote:
Doesn't the term "kit lens" relate to quality rather more than focal length or zoom range?

I would anticipate that. But it could be different depending on who makes the kit.

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Oct 4, 2020 16:45:02   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
traderjohn wrote:
If you were to buy the 18-55mm lens is it always known as the "kit lens"?


No, it is not a kit lens, if you were to buy the 18-55mm lens, it is known as a Nikon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR lens. The "G" in Nikon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR lens stands for Great, or Grand, or Groovy, or Great value, or gargantuan quality, or Great Expectations, or, as Tony the tiger would say, it's GREEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAATTTTTTT.

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Oct 4, 2020 17:58:17   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
traderjohn wrote:
If you were to buy the 18-55mm lens is it always known as the "kit lens"?


Many years ago when I got my Pentax ME , the kit lens it came with was a 50mm/1.7 prime. My Auto110 system came boxed with 3 lenses 18mm/2.8, 24mm/2.8 & 50mm/2.8 as these were sold with the camera in a kit they are all kit lenses.
Kit lens just indicates a lens that is commonly bundled with the body & sold together as a kit. These lenses are generally made in greater numbers than other lenses in the manufacturers range, which enables them to be produced cheaper.

There are some kit lenses that were clearly made to a budget, cutting corners to end up with a lens that is perhaps just about good enough. Other kit lenses can be quite good despite the budget label. Fortunately the only examples I have of the first type are film era EF lenses that I don't have a body they fit on & I'm sure even these where better when new back in the 90's. Most of the kit lenses I have have been brought secondhand, after another owner has upgraded from them or found they didn't suit their requirements. Several of them have been telephoto zooms from 2 lens kits such as the Pentax DA 55-200, and I think the Panasonic 45-200.

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Oct 4, 2020 18:44:52   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
The Fuji 18-55 is a β€œkit lens” that is widely regarded as an excellent performer.

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Oct 4, 2020 19:11:58   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
quixdraw wrote:
#1 as I understand it the DX / FX conversion factor is x 1.5, so close enough.

#2 I don't care to do raw, but why not get yourself an nice Western Digital Hard Drive 4TB for under $100. No worries.


An "under $100 4TB" drive will NOT be the most reliable drive; either get an SSD or at least a "much better" HDD.

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Oct 4, 2020 19:43:28   #
Eric Bornstein Loc: Toronto Canada
 
RG - I owned the Nikon f/4, 24 to 120. I acquired it with my D500. I did not like the lens at all. This comment is not proven but at focal lengths greater than 90, I thought that the results/images were too soft for focal lengths above 90. It is also a relatively heavy lens.

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Oct 5, 2020 20:20:49   #
11bravo
 
photoman43 wrote:
You can use Enterprise drives as regular drives.

I use Enterprise drives for backing up my desktop. I use a external hard disk case from Rosewell that comes with a fan for cooling. You take the cover off the case, slip in the enterprise drive, attach the cover, attach it to your desktop and power supply and you are in business. I then use Disk Manager to name the drive. I do not use a RAID system.
Here's a link to the Rosewell:

https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rx-358-u3c-blk/p/N82E16817182247

They now support up to 8TB drives - this I can personally verify. Other buyers have reported support for larger drives, but I know it does support 8TB. I just provisioned* 2 8TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC320's, and with continuous read/writes of approximately 20 hours each, remained under 100 degrees. That fan might be small, but it does its job! I've used these for over a decade (first ones I have are only usb2; newer versions are usb3).

You might consider buying 2 - prime and mirror, or prime and backup.

*provisioning:
I suggest you always provision an HDD before using for actual data. My provisioning:
1. LONG format, NOT quick format.
2. From a cmd window (cmd.exe), a full chkdsk: chkdsk drive_letter: /x /v /f /r /b
3. I use StableBit Scanner (paid) for a 3rd surface scan.

For an 8TB drive, each of these took 6-8 hours. But now I have confidence in the drive.

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Oct 5, 2020 20:48:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
11bravo wrote:
Here's a link to the Rosewell:

https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rx-358-u3c-blk/p/N82E16817182247

They now support up to 8TB drives - this I can personally verify. Other buyers have reported support for larger drives, but I know it does support 8TB. I just provisioned* 2 8TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC320's, and with continuous read/writes of approximately 20 hours each, remained under 100 degrees. That fan might be small, but it does its job! I've used these for over a decade (first ones I have are only usb2; newer versions are usb3).

You might consider buying 2 - prime and mirror, or prime and backup.

*provisioning:
I suggest you always provision an HDD before using for actual data. My provisioning:
1. LONG format, NOT quick format.
2. From a cmd window (cmd.exe), a full chkdsk: chkdsk drive_letter: /x /v /f /r /b
3. I use StableBit Scanner (paid) for a 3rd surface scan.

For an 8TB drive, each of these took 6-8 hours. But now I have confidence in the drive.
Here's a link to the Rosewell: br br https://www.... (show quote)


πŸ‘πŸ‘ the HGST Ultrastar is as good as modern rotating media gets - it would be my choice.

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Oct 5, 2020 21:17:59   #
11bravo
 
TriX wrote:
πŸ‘πŸ‘ the HGST Ultrastar is as good as modern rotating media gets - it would be my choice.
And the reason I bought them was because they were your choice. Thanks for the advice. I look forward to MANY years of use.

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Oct 5, 2020 22:05:10   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
11bravo wrote:
And the reason I bought them was because they were your choice. Thanks for the advice. I look forward to MANY years of use.


Good deal, but I’d hate to have an 11B (infantry professional) pissed at me if one ever fails

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