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Sep 28, 2020 20:18:33   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
EvKar wrote:
Thanks for the insight and sharing of your photos... maybe I'm making too big of deal about this sharpness thing... just that I feel that I'm trying to get all I can out the lenses I own... but then again, I may be all wet.
EvKar


Don't feel badly! Over kill is certainly not confined to photographers. Audiophiles will spend many thousands of dollars and amplifiers and speakers that can reproduce sounds that only an owl can hear. The have a sub-woofers that produce bass, in Brooklyn, that registers on the seismograph in New Zealand. The claim that this enhances the parts of the audible spectrum that humans can hear. Only problem is, they all have hearing loss for listening to loud music with headphones and can't hear those nuances anyway! Folks drive to work at their OFFICE, in gas-guzzling monster trucks or high performance race cars because they like those things.

My late Uncle Sol, told me his old Optar lens on his Speed Graphic suddenly and magically began to produce incredibly sharp images, that was, after his cataracts surgery!

I won't even get into firearms- you know about the old adage about a flea and an elephant gun.

Folks want to do better, get better, and have better. go faster, and there is a perpetual desire br bigger, stronger, more powerful, higher performing, more sophisticated and more expensive STUFF. Its aspirational and fun- why not?!

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Sep 28, 2020 21:02:27   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Stan, good eye. it's actually a Graphic View II. I've since upgraded to an Arca Swiss 4x5 because I can affix a sensor to the back of that and use it for both film and digital.
--Bob
PixelStan77 wrote:
Bob, That looks like my old Graflex 4 x 5 case. You look balanced carrying the weight. Stan

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Sep 28, 2020 21:55:48   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
rmalarz wrote:
Stan, good eye. it's actually a Graphic View II. I've since upgraded to an Arca Swiss 4x5 because I can affix a sensor to the back of that and use it for both film and digital.
--Bob



I had 2 Graflex Gray Vulcanoid Hard Cases, one for the Graphic View and the other for the for the 4x5 press camera. I would fill them both with Grafmatic film holders, enough to cover a big wedding. I didn't need to go to a gym or lift weights to build a few muscles. At one point I upgraded to a 4x5 Linhof (all metal body) press camera. This is why I don't consider most digital gear and long lenses disproportionately heavy. Add a few Graflex Stroboflash II and you had some significant weight.

My press case had a compartment for the camera, 2 compartments for the film holders, a compartment in the lid for the Graflite flash-holder and elastic bands for the lens shade. That case was build like a brick outhouse- I would put in on a chair and stand on it for high angle shots."Vulcanoid" was some kinda fiber board- it was held together with rivets and had metal corner protectors. We also had them in the army- the were painted Olive Drab!

I still see them on Ebay for 30 bucks or so.

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Sep 29, 2020 02:44:02   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
EvKar wrote:
I keep finding my self in volunteer picture taking events… events that have large gathering and small, where I desire consistent sharpness and in a focal range of my primes. As I don’t trust the 18-270 to achieve the results (except outdoors, then even that is touch and go), I’ll swap out my primes throughout the event. In the process of swapping, I’m missing shots and I’m a nervous wreck… you guys have been there!


At the expense of weight, I like having 2 cameras with me during an event so I am better prepared for any possibilities. One camera would have a wide angle prime and the other a zoom lens. Having 2 cameras is also a good preparation for an equipment failure aside from less swapping means getting less dirt into the internals.

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Sep 29, 2020 06:17:06   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
EvKar wrote:
I have been wanting the versatility of a zoom lens for a long time, but my experience with such lenses in the past is you sacrifice a little on the picture quality in the way of sharpness for the convenience of having a wide range of focal lengths. The bigger range, you achieve less sharpness. But should you pay for the higher end lens, the above should not be an issue.

I love my prime lenses, 50mm and 35mm for the sharpness, but with my Tamron 18-270, I cannot achieve the sharpness I desire; but then again, I didn’t pay much for it compared to the high end lenses that have the better glass and same focal length. I just could not justify the expenditure for just a hobby.
Well, I keep finding my self in volunteer picture taking events… events that have large gathering and small, where I desire consistent sharpness and in a focal range of my primes. As I don’t trust the 18-270 to achieve the results (except outdoors, then even that is touch and go), I’ll swap out my primes throughout the event. In the process of swapping, I’m missing shots and I’m a nervous wreck… you guys have been there!

Well, all the above to say that I finally broke down and purchased for my Nikon D7100, a Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR at a hefty cost of $1,899. I was excited about this lens, even the cost didn’t dampen my enthusiasm (I got over my GAS attack), but the size and weight have made me question my decision. So, my question to the UH group… is this something that I have to live with; should you want quality/sharpness in a zoom, you’ll have to understand it will be a bigger lens due the amount of glass needed to achieve this quality?

Comparing the Nikon to the Tamron and the Sigma versions at the local camera shop (where I just bought the Nikon 24-70, and the D7100 several years back), I felt that I wasn’t seeing the sharpness that the Nikon generated… but then again, they were lighter and less costly lenses. And the various reviews that I read said the same thing, the Nikon achieves better sharpness. But at 2 and half pounds (3/4 pound, 9 oz heavier than the Tamron), is it worth it? I have 30 days to return should I desire… am I just having “Buyer’s Remorse”, or is this to be expected should you want to up your game?
I have been wanting the versatility of a zoom lens... (show quote)


So far as lenses are concerned, no matter what make, I have found that the sharpest zooms will be the shorter range zooms. Longer range zooms will be softer, the longer the zoom range the softer they get. There might be other considerations to take into account, but for me, the sharpest zooms, all things being equal, will be no more than 3-4x - regardless of the focal lengths that covers. For me, I have two zooms - 14-42 and 45-175 (2x crop) which together give me a 12.5x range, covering my requirements for focal length and good optics plus excellent sharpness - but each is less than a 4x range. I accept that there could be other optical considerations, but we are talking sharp. MHO Del.

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Sep 29, 2020 06:43:08   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
The Nikon 24-70 f2.8 is a professional lens that works best with so called full frame cameras. It is sharp, big and heavy as you have mentioned. In my case I prefer to use DX lenses with APS sensor cameras since those lenses were specifically made to work with the cropped sensor.
If you will be working in low light your choices are to use wide aperture lenses, like the recommended 17-55 f2.8 which is also heavy or to raise the ISO speed and have a good denoise software available for post.

An inexpensive alternative, assuming you want to go that route, is the old 18-70 f3.5-4.5 Nikon kit lens. It will work nicely with your present camera, it is pretty fast for a kit lens and the images are sharp and of excellent quality. It could be bought new but prices are super reasonable in the second hand market. I use this lens often and it keeps amazing me with its excellent sharpness. I also use the 18-200 VR that has more range and is also very good but slower.

I have lenses that according to reviews are not sharp enough. One such lens is the 17 mm f2.8 Zuiko for micro fourth thirds Olympus and Panasonic camera bodies and instead it has been an excellent performer for me. The 18-200 VR Nikon lens also has many poor reviews and it has performed brilliantly for me. It is not that easy to find a bad lens today and just look at the offerings by independent lens makers and see how good their lenses are. Modern, computer design lens technology is available to all manufacturers.

I have not used a lens that failed to give me good and sharp results when I did my part.

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Sep 29, 2020 06:54:39   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Camerapapi

"when I did my part"

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Sep 29, 2020 07:13:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
You have a good camera and a good lens. The rest is up to you. Using a tripod and a good, high contrast target, test the focus at various apertures and focal lengths. A lot depends on how much sharpness you want. If you want to be able to magnify an image 500 X and examine it in detail, you'll be disappointed.

I realize there are too many links below, but information is good.

How to get shape images -
https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/sharpness.htm
https://www.photographymad.com/pages/view/17-tips-for-taking-tack-sharp-photos
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/tips-and-solutions/21-tips-getting-sharper-photos
https://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-take-sharp-digital-images/
https://photographylife.com/how-to-take-sharp-photos
http://digital-photography-school.com/5-steps-to-increase-the-sharpness-of-your-photographs/
https://digital-photography-school.com/tips-ensuring-get-sharp-photos-every-time/
https://www.wikihow.com/Focus-a-Camera
https://www.lightstalking.com/bite-size-tips-nail-focus-every-time/
http://www.lightstalking.com/these-steps-will-help-you-nail-focus-every-time/
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2015/03/28/how-to-get-the-best-autofocus-performance-from-your-camera/
http://www.reikan.co.uk/focalweb/index.php/why/about-focal/

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Sep 29, 2020 07:18:42   #
george19
 
Would the 35 and 50 satisfy your event shooting needs? If so, why not consider a second body to avoid the anxiety of switching lenses?

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Sep 29, 2020 07:30:22   #
ELNikkor
 
Had you even considered the 17-55 f2.8 DX lens made specifically for your D7100? It could have saved you 5 oz of weight, $400, and given you a wider angle for those indoor people shots. That said, now that you have that big, heavy, expensive lens, just move up to a D810 or D850. The larger sensor will give you all the sharpness you could hope for and the extra weight will make the 24-70 feel more balanced.

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Sep 29, 2020 07:39:02   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
i have both the f2.8 24 to 70 and the 70 to 200 on my D850. They are sharp.


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Sep 29, 2020 08:18:01   #
Gspeed Loc: Rhinebeck, NY
 
EvKar wrote:
I have been wanting the versatility of a zoom lens for a long time, but my experience with such lenses in the past is you sacrifice a little on the picture quality in the way of sharpness for the convenience of having a wide range of focal lengths. The bigger range, you achieve less sharpness. But should you pay for the higher end lens, the above should not be an issue.

I have that lens. When I have that lens on my camera the heft of it makes me feel like a real photographer. My advice: just go with it. Embrace the quality!

I love my prime lenses, 50mm and 35mm for the sharpness, but with my Tamron 18-270, I cannot achieve the sharpness I desire; but then again, I didn’t pay much for it compared to the high end lenses that have the better glass and same focal length. I just could not justify the expenditure for just a hobby.
Well, I keep finding my self in volunteer picture taking events… events that have large gathering and small, where I desire consistent sharpness and in a focal range of my primes. As I don’t trust the 18-270 to achieve the results (except outdoors, then even that is touch and go), I’ll swap out my primes throughout the event. In the process of swapping, I’m missing shots and I’m a nervous wreck… you guys have been there!

Well, all the above to say that I finally broke down and purchased for my Nikon D7100, a Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR at a hefty cost of $1,899. I was excited about this lens, even the cost didn’t dampen my enthusiasm (I got over my GAS attack), but the size and weight have made me question my decision. So, my question to the UH group… is this something that I have to live with; should you want quality/sharpness in a zoom, you’ll have to understand it will be a bigger lens due the amount of glass needed to achieve this quality?

Comparing the Nikon to the Tamron and the Sigma versions at the local camera shop (where I just bought the Nikon 24-70, and the D7100 several years back), I felt that I wasn’t seeing the sharpness that the Nikon generated… but then again, they were lighter and less costly lenses. And the various reviews that I read said the same thing, the Nikon achieves better sharpness. But at 2 and half pounds (3/4 pound, 9 oz heavier than the Tamron), is it worth it? I have 30 days to return should I desire… am I just having “Buyer’s Remorse”, or is this to be expected should you want to up your game?
I have been wanting the versatility of a zoom lens... (show quote)

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Sep 29, 2020 08:18:46   #
brent46 Loc: Grand Island, NY
 
I use a Sigma 17-50 f2.8 on my D7100. It is tack sharp and can be had for a reasonable price. When wanting a little more reach I use a Nikon 28-105 AF D lens. It is also very sharp and can be had used in good condition for a little over $100.

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Sep 29, 2020 08:58:12   #
stevetassi
 
Are you having buyers remorse just because of the weight of the lens or are there other reasons? Is the 24-70 a useful range for what you shoot? If it were me and the weight was the only issue, I would keep the lens and give myself time to get used to it. It sounds like you’re used to lightweight primes.

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Sep 29, 2020 09:27:12   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
I agree the d850 with the f2.8s is heavy. I am 70 and lift weights so the camera feels light. go out and but a set of 5 and 10 lb dumbbells and do curls and lift the bars straight out. After a while the camera will be easy to lift

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