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Sep 25, 2020 11:22:41   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
plenty of distortion when your subject is moving. If you're moving, you will get curved or leaning buildings, telephone poles, etc. Fun to experiment with, but depends on what you want.

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Sep 25, 2020 11:31:13   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
The electronic shutter is best with stationary or slowly moving subjects. The sensor “reads out“ data line by line, so there is a slight time lag from bottom to top of the image. When there is motion, that shifts the image slightly from one scan line to the next.

I use electronic shutter when I need to work in stealth mode — theatre, concerts, weddings, macro work, copy work (slides, negatives, prints, art, stamps, documents... where minimizing camera vibration is important).

Maybe one day, Panasonic will use a sensor capable of instant readout from all photosites.
The electronic shutter is best with stationary or ... (show quote)


The focal plane mechanical shutter is also a type of rolling shutter as it doesn't expose the entire frame at any given time when the speed is above the max flash sync speed. Perhaps it's still a lot faster than the electronic shutter? I wonder how fast is the electronic shutter that is how long does it takes to read data from top to bottom of the frame?

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Sep 25, 2020 12:54:44   #
Carl1024 Loc: Kaneohe, HI 96744
 
Is this worth buying?
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Sep 25, 2020 13:30:32   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Hsch39 wrote:
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photography, but this time I wanted to use the Electronic silent shutter function on the Lumix GX8, so I can get closer to the Hummingbird. Below is the result. Almost all images of the Hummingbird where distorted. I was under the impression that I had a defective camera or SD card, but after a few hours, I decided to get the advanced full Manual, where I found this note below.
Maybe some Lumix owners are aware of this, but for those who don't, it might help you someday.
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photog... (show quote)


I also have a GX8 - and use electronic shutter for landscape and architectural photography, to avoid any possibility of shutter shock, although this has never caused me a problem. Panasonic have now introduced a new type of electro-magnetic shutter, which has resolved the shutter shock issue associated with Copal shutters at some speeds and with certain lenses.

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Sep 25, 2020 13:37:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The focal plane mechanical shutter is also a type of rolling shutter as it doesn't expose the entire frame at any given time when the speed is above the max flash sync speed. Perhaps it's still a lot faster than the electronic shutter? I wonder how fast is the electronic shutter that is how long does it takes to read data from top to bottom of the frame?


The Copal shutter is usually not as bad. But some are subject to shutter shock vibration at medium shutter speeds.

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Sep 25, 2020 15:40:21   #
Nonna1 Loc: Knoxville tn
 
Hsch39 wrote:
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photography, but this time I wanted to use the Electronic silent shutter function on the Lumix GX8, so I can get closer to the Hummingbird. Below is the result. Almost all images of the Hummingbird where distorted. I was under the impression that I had a defective camera or SD card, but after a few hours, I decided to get the advanced full Manual, where I found this note below.
Maybe some Lumix owners are aware of this, but for those who don't, it might help you someday.
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photog... (show quote)

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Sep 25, 2020 15:41:12   #
Nonna1 Loc: Knoxville tn
 
I think you're picture is awesome. I wish I was as talented and skilled as some of ya'll.

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Sep 25, 2020 18:37:20   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
Nonna1 wrote:
I think you're picture is awesome. I wish I was as talented and skilled as some of ya'll.


Actually I started with Bird Photography 8 years ago at our daughter's home in Knoxville TN, your hometown. It was July, and I was able to photograph 22 different species in one morning. This included a Bald Eagle and this Prothonotary Warbler.


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Sep 25, 2020 19:26:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
The electronic shutter is best with stationary or slowly moving subjects. The sensor “reads out“ data line by line, so there is a slight time lag from bottom to top of the image. When there is motion, that shifts the image slightly from one scan line to the next.

I use electronic shutter when I need to work in stealth mode — theatre, concerts, weddings, macro work, copy work (slides, negatives, prints, art, stamps, documents... where minimizing camera vibration is important).

Maybe one day, Panasonic will use a sensor capable of instant readout from all photosites.
The electronic shutter is best with stationary or ... (show quote)


Global shutter.

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Sep 25, 2020 22:59:47   #
Hanson
 
I have GX8 for a few years but never took photos for hummingbirds and I did not experience the distortion like you showed here. So I thank you for sharing what you got here.
I bought G9 last year and I started using it all the time to shoot birds with high speed including hummers. So far I can report that I have not had any distortion like yours. I can only speculate that the G9's electronic shutter is somewhat different/improved?

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Sep 26, 2020 07:20:35   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Hsch39 wrote:
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photography, but this time I wanted to use the Electronic silent shutter function on the Lumix GX8, so I can get closer to the Hummingbird. Below is the result. Almost all images of the Hummingbird where distorted. I was under the impression that I had a defective camera or SD card, but after a few hours, I decided to get the advanced full Manual, where I found this note below.
Maybe some Lumix owners are aware of this, but for those who don't, it might help you someday.
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photog... (show quote)


Its called rolling shutter...adjust the SS, you may be able to minimize it.

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Sep 26, 2020 08:38:12   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Global shutter.


Yep.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/video/tips-and-solutions/rolling-shutter-versus-global-shutter

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Sep 26, 2020 08:45:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Hanson wrote:
I have GX8 for a few years but never took photos for hummingbirds and I did not experience the distortion like you showed here. So I thank you for sharing what you got here.
I bought G9 last year and I started using it all the time to shoot birds with high speed including hummers. So far I can report that I have not had any distortion like yours. I can only speculate that the G9's electronic shutter is somewhat different/improved?


Like most Lumix Micro 4/3 cameras, the G9 has both mechanical and electronic shutters. You only get rolling shutter from the electronic shutter. Since that is *always* used for video, that’s where you will be most likely to see it. The G9 and the GH5/GH5s have sensors with very fast readout of data. So they minimize the effect. But if you rapidly pan across a landscape in video, you’ll still see some rolling shutter effects.

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Sep 26, 2020 09:40:05   #
Hanson
 
As far as I recall, they claim the rolling shutter problem has been dealt with or partly solved on the new model of Panasonic Lumix.

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Sep 26, 2020 10:01:28   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
burkphoto wrote:
Like most Lumix Micro 4/3 cameras, the G9 has both mechanical and electronic shutters. You only get rolling shutter from the electronic shutter. Since that is *always* used for video, that’s where you will be most likely to see it. The G9 and the GH5/GH5s have sensors with very fast readout of data. So they minimize the effect. But if you rapidly pan across a landscape in video, you’ll still see some rolling shutter effects.


Hi Bill - do you know whether or not the G9 has the new electro-magnetic shutter?

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