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Sep 24, 2020 21:34:23   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photography, but this time I wanted to use the Electronic silent shutter function on the Lumix GX8, so I can get closer to the Hummingbird. Below is the result. Almost all images of the Hummingbird where distorted. I was under the impression that I had a defective camera or SD card, but after a few hours, I decided to get the advanced full Manual, where I found this note below.
Maybe some Lumix owners are aware of this, but for those who don't, it might help you someday.





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Sep 24, 2020 21:46:20   #
Ourspolair
 
Yup - the joys of electronic shutters! But it created an interesting image - you could make them into semi-abstracts.

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Sep 24, 2020 22:01:38   #
jdtonkinson Loc: Red Wing, MN
 
I still like the photo.

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Sep 24, 2020 22:21:31   #
NMGal Loc: NE NM
 
I like it!

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Sep 25, 2020 01:28:41   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
It is similar for my Olympus bodies.

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Sep 25, 2020 05:45:12   #
BebuLamar
 
It's beautifully distorted. I like it.

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Sep 25, 2020 07:39:29   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
It looks to me more like you are working with a very narrow DOF.

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Sep 25, 2020 08:10:55   #
ELNikkor
 
Unique take on the hummer; you may be on to something there!

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Sep 25, 2020 08:28:13   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
I'm curious to know what the shutter speed was for this photo (exif has been removed).
Considering how fast the wings of a hummingbird move, you'd need a pretty fast speed to "stop movement".

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Sep 25, 2020 08:40:34   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Experience and education - e.g. reading the manual - that's the key to success I agree it produced an interesting result, but probably not what one would normally be going for.

(I have the G7)

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Sep 25, 2020 08:41:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Hsch39 wrote:
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photography, but this time I wanted to use the Electronic silent shutter function on the Lumix GX8, so I can get closer to the Hummingbird. Below is the result. Almost all images of the Hummingbird where distorted. I was under the impression that I had a defective camera or SD card, but after a few hours, I decided to get the advanced full Manual, where I found this note below.
Maybe some Lumix owners are aware of this, but for those who don't, it might help you someday.
Normally I use my Canon full-frame for Bird Photog... (show quote)


The electronic shutter is best with stationary or slowly moving subjects. The sensor “reads out“ data line by line, so there is a slight time lag from bottom to top of the image. When there is motion, that shifts the image slightly from one scan line to the next.

I use electronic shutter when I need to work in stealth mode — theatre, concerts, weddings, macro work, copy work (slides, negatives, prints, art, stamps, documents... where minimizing camera vibration is important).

Maybe one day, Panasonic will use a sensor capable of instant readout from all photosites.

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Sep 25, 2020 08:57:44   #
BurghByrd Loc: Pittsburgh
 
This illustrates the problems electronic shutters have with relatively fast motion and humming bird wings are clearly fast motion. There is a good discusion of the relative merits of mechanical and electronic shutters at the following link.

https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/stories/advanced-month-3-motion-9-electronic-shutter/

I think it's still a good picture.

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Sep 25, 2020 09:18:44   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
Morning Star wrote:
I'm curious to know what the shutter speed was for this photo (exif has been removed).
Considering how fast the wings of a hummingbird move, you'd need a pretty fast speed to "stop movement".


This photo I took at 1/3000 s.

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Sep 25, 2020 09:21:57   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
burkphoto wrote:
The electronic shutter is best with stationary or slowly moving subjects. The sensor “reads out“ data line by line, so there is a slight time lag from bottom to top of the image. When there is motion, that shifts the image slightly from one scan line to the next.

I use electronic shutter when I need to work in stealth mode — theatre, concerts, weddings, macro work, copy work (slides, negatives, prints, art, stamps, documents... where minimizing camera vibration is important).

Maybe one day, Panasonic will use a sensor capable of instant readout from all photosites.
The electronic shutter is best with stationary or ... (show quote)


Thank you burkphoto for the explanation.

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Sep 25, 2020 09:32:46   #
Hsch39 Loc: Northbrook, Illinois
 
BurghByrd wrote:
This illustrates the problems electronic shutters have with relatively fast motion and humming bird wings are clearly fast motion. There is a good discusion of the relative merits of mechanical and electronic shutters at the following link.

https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/stories/advanced-month-3-motion-9-electronic-shutter/

I think it's still a good picture.


Thanks BurghByrd for the link. I will study it after breakfast.

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