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Sep 15, 2020 04:19:43   #
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SteveR wrote:
Best thing to shoot to test your lens is the brick on your house and, possibly, newsprint.


LOL. Saw some new print the other day .... in an antiquarian book shop. :-)

There’s no brick on my house, but when I do shoot walls, I am not testing anything. I really want the picture of that wall.

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Sep 15, 2020 08:28:47   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Is there any possibility that instead of lenses being an issue, it is the camera body(s). Do you have a friend with a Nikon that will lend you theirs to shoot identical shots i.e. backyard fence? I'm suspect with the number of lenses that you've tested/returned that they are the issue.

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Sep 15, 2020 08:31:35   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
[ Will try some 'scapes using live view next. I have been researching 24mm primes and lenses like the Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 to renew my faith in the 24mm focal length; want to use it for low light and night time shooting as well.
I own the 14-24 lens & think it is an excellent lens for landscapes. With that said , if you plan on using any filters with it like a polarizer or nd, keep in mind there are no filter threads & the filter holders are pretty big. If you short on space in your camera bag & taking long hikes to a location. It should work good for night(are you talking astro?) but I haven't tried it for that yet.
The next 2 lens I suggest might work for you if you can live without ,say 35-70mm.

You might want to look at this for astro & scapes.
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-nikkor-20mm-f%252f1.8g-ed.html

And this for land scapes.
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-nikkor-28mm-f%252f1.8g.html

Now that I have a little more expierience with filters for the 14-24 , I would probably test these lens & check reviews before making another purchase.

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Sep 15, 2020 09:19:47   #
Bayou
 
larryepage wrote:
If you look at the geometry of your test setup, you will note that when you are set up 8 feet from the fence, it is probably more like 12 feet to the parts of the fence at the corners of your image field. This lens is not corrected to focus on a flat field (like a macro lens most likely would be), and depth of field is not going to cover from 8-12 feet at f/2.8...




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Sep 15, 2020 10:32:52   #
b top gun
 
The fence happened to be very handy; I did not have a lot of time to run around looking for a brick wall on Sunday. Measured the fence from the test shots, I captured just short of eleven feet of width.

As for shooting newsprint, at what distance are you taking the test shots, unless you have a entire wall papered with newsprint, I presume you are quite close in distance from camera to subject?

The suggestion to try a 20mm prime, got a new Nikon 20mm f/1.8 for Christmas, had it when I went to Seattle for New Years. Used that lens to photograph and video Multnomah Falls east of Portland; next day used it walking the Hummock Trail in the shadow of Mount St Helens. Sent the lens back to B&H when I got home after New Years, just did not like the shots; even spent Christmas night photographing decorations in a nearby suburb to test the 20mm prime. I use an old Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 manual focus lens from film days for a lot of my night shots with the D850. I have faith in that lens.

I am not bashing the Nikon 24-70, I expect it to perform better at the wide open settings than it has to date. New Years Eve, had coffee at the original Starbucks, then went across the street and walked around Pike Place Market taking random shots. So glad I did that, with all this virus stuff I don't think the market will ever be what it was when I saw it. New Years day was bright and sunny in Seattle, a chamber of commerce day for sure. Went to the Space Needle, then to Chihuly Gardens and Glass; the combo of D850 and 24-70 delivered nicely.

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Sep 15, 2020 10:36:53   #
b top gun
 
New Years Day in Seattle, before the neighborhood woke up from partying New Years Eve...............



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Sep 15, 2020 10:44:31   #
b top gun
 
28mm is my favorite for walk around 'scape shots. As my photography junkie/mentor put it, use the bipedal human zoom when necessary to get the shot. I just may try the Nikon 28mm f/1.8 and compare results to my manual focus Nikkor 28mm f/2.8.

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Sep 15, 2020 11:01:13   #
FTn
 
b top gun wrote:
Finally a break in the gloomy weather so I could set up a test of my copy of a Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 non VR lens. Primary reason for testing, check lens performance primarily at the 24mm setting from f/2.8 through f/16 in whole stops. Have questioned the image sharpness of the corners of this lens since I got it. Test target, my back fence, 5 foot high wooden privacy type with lots of detail; target chosen because of the detail available. Lens on my D850 on a tripod. Distance to the target, about 8 feet; D850 as square to the fence as possible; 2 second exposure delay selected to minimize camera shake. Shots were taken in sets of 6 exposures; one set in color, a second set in monochrome for extra detail. 24mm starting at f/2.8, about 65% of the image had acceptable sharpness from the center out. Did not get acceptable image sharpness until f/11 at 24mm and even then not sharp all the way to the corners/edges. Same lens, same string of shots except at 28mm; immediately better results. Did not shoot beyond 28mm by choice. All this with the camera and lens set for auto focus.

For comparison sake, switched to live view, full manual focusing, and used in camera focus peaking option available in the D850. Manual focus shots gave better results especially at the wider apertures almost immediately. From experience I know not to shoot this lens at 24mm and forget f/2.8 at pretty much all focal lengths. I start at 28mm, have learned the sweet spot of this particular lens is f/5.6 or smaller. When shooting landscapes and seascapes I have come to prefer f/6.3-f/7.1 minimum aperture and a tripod whenever convenient. Will try some 'scapes using live view next. I have been researching 24mm primes and lenses like the Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 to renew my faith in the 24mm focal length; want to use it for low light and night time shooting as well. All this for me begs the question...."Why would you make a lens with a max aperture of f/2.8 if said lens does not yield sharp images to at least 80% of the image from the center out???" Using my copy of the 24-70 f/2.8 is like shooting through a tunnel at times. One option is to select the 1.2 crop factor available in the D850 menu, however that crop factor computes to around 28mm soooooooo, just set the lens there and shoot away, which I have been doing. Another option is to put this lens on my D7100 and get something else wide angle for my D850. Note: I am not looking at third party lenses, Tamron in particular; have owned four Tamron lenses, returned two to B&H a week after getting them, dumped my 150-600 due to auto focus issues; still have the 18-270 but should have sent it back because it is softer than my Nikon 18-200 VR.
Finally a break in the gloomy weather so I could s... (show quote)


A good friend of mine, another commercial photographer, had exactly the same problem with his Nikon 24-70 non vr lens on the D850. It just wasn't really sharp at the wide end. He borrowed a Nikon 14-24 f2.8 from NPS and tested them side by side in his studio. He found that the 14-24mm was much sharper at 24mm than the 24-70mm at 24mm at all aperatures. Needless to say he got rid of the 24-70mm. The D850 really demands great glass.

- FTn

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Sep 15, 2020 11:54:20   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
top gun absolutely love the image of the Space Needle!
Epic architectural composition...
Fabulous color harmonies...

btw, while I have zoom optics that cover 24mm my goto in the studio remains the AF 24mm f/2.8D

From Ken...
"... The Nikon 24mm f/2.8 AF-D is inexpensive, compact and excellent. Its optics have been a favorite of Nikon photographers for decades. There is no better or sharper 24mm lens or zoom in Nikon's stable..."

This iconic optic still retains it's value as a "previously owned" item... Those in excellent condition are selling for 75% of it's new price! Nikon is still making and selling this epic glass...

It's feather light thus when I'm up on a 12 foot step ladder it's light weight is to be cherished...
.

AF 24mm f/2.8D Nikkor
AF 24mm f/2.8D Nikkor...
(Download)

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Sep 15, 2020 13:14:47   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Thomas902 wrote:
top gun absolutely love the image of the Space Needle!
Epic architectural composition...
Fabulous color harmonies...

btw, while I have zoom optics that cover 24mm my goto in the studio remains the AF 24mm f/2.8D

From Ken...
"... The Nikon 24mm f/2.8 AF-D is inexpensive, compact and excellent. Its optics have been a favorite of Nikon photographers for decades. There is no better or sharper 24mm lens or zoom in Nikon's stable..."

This iconic optic still retains it's value as a "previously owned" item... Those in excellent condition are selling for 75% of it's new price! Nikon is still making and selling this epic glass...

It's feather light thus when I'm up on a 12 foot step ladder it's light weight is to be cherished...
.
top gun absolutely love the image of the Space Nee... (show quote)


Thomas, the image is wonderful, but the dress act is spectacular!

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Sep 15, 2020 13:39:16   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Thank you so much for your kind words chasgroh...
As for the vintage wedding gown? 45 minutes to get all gown components assembled on the talent...
Another 20 minutes on my hands and knees arranging the bridal gown's train lace embellishment...

Paraphrasing Henri Cartier-Bresson “It's all in the details.”
Wardrobe stylist are of priceless worth and value on high end fashion assignments.

All the best on your journey chasgroh

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Sep 15, 2020 15:32:32   #
Robert1 Loc: Davie, FL
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Thank you so much for your kind words chasgroh...
As for the vintage wedding gown? 45 minutes to get all gown components assembled on the talent...
Another 20 minutes on my hands and knees arranging the bridal gown's train lace embellishment...

Paraphrasing Henri Cartier-Bresson “It's all in the details.”
Wardrobe stylist are of priceless worth and value on high end fashion assignments.

All the best on your journey chasgroh


Thomas: such a beautiful composition, lighting, details, etc. One question: I was not able to discern if the model is real or some sort of mannequin. If she's real whoa!! to hold that pose, fantastic.

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Sep 15, 2020 16:28:13   #
MrT Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
The D850 has the auto fine tune I would give that a try.

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Sep 15, 2020 16:59:23   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
Robert1 I assure you the this talent is very real indeed...
She was one of the Top ten Finalist in Miss Maryland Sweetheart Pageant and Won "Miss Photogenic"
Believe the Pageant Judges got that one right :)

FYI: Her agency found me, I didn't find her... I had posted a casting call for an accomplished ballerina for a catalog fashion assignment and they contacted me and ask if I would like a "Go See" with three of their models. Well when she put on her pointes it was all over.... Seems she had danced on pointe in the lead role of Clara in the Nutcracker with the Donetsk Ballet of Ukraine partnering with Viktor Yeliohin. The rest is history...

Best Advice? If you wish to collaborate with outstanding talent then by all means please consider working through agencies. The top talent typically find their way onto agency "New Faces" boards.

The only difference between "New Faces" and an agency's "Main Board" is that experienced talent have an extensive editorial fashion repertoire, finely honed and precisely choreographed. There is a decided rhythm to their movement on set... timed in perfect syncopation with the recycle of a studio's strobes... with immediacy they move seamlessly into an endless array of contrasting and unique pose dynamics... A thespian of considerable merit, elegance and charismatic allure...

This is what makes them priceless...

Hope this helps Robert1
All the best on your journey...

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Sep 15, 2020 17:10:37   #
Robert1 Loc: Davie, FL
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Robert1 I assure you the this talent is very real indeed...
She was one of the Top ten Finalist in Miss Maryland Sweetheart Pageant and Won "Miss Photogenic"
Believe the Pageant Judges got that one right :)

FYI: Her agency found me, I didn't find her... I had posted a casting call for an accomplished ballerina for a catalog fashion assignment and they contacted me and ask if I would like a "Go See" with three of their models. Well when she put on her pointes it was all over.... Seem she had danced on pointe in the lead role of Clara in the Nutcracker with the Donetsk Ballet of Ukraine partnering with Viktor Yeliohin. The rest is history...

Best Advice? If you wish to collaborate with outstanding talent then by all means please consider working through agencies. The top talent typically find their way onto agency "New Faces" boards.

The only difference between "New Faces" and an agency's "Main Board" is that experienced talent have an extensive editorial fashion repertoire, finely honed and precisely choreographed. There is a decided rhythm to their movement on set... timed in perfect syncopation with the recycle of a studio's strobes... with immediacy they move seamlessly into an endless array of contrasting and unique pose dynamics... A thespian of considerable merit, elegance and charismatic allure...

This is what makes them priceless...

Hope this helps Robert1
All the best on your journey...
Robert1 I assure you the this talent is very real ... (show quote)


Thomas: thanks for your insightful response. very enlightening. A "ballerina" it makes sense to me now about that incredible pose.

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