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Sep 12, 2020 13:18:12   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
Cash tips not tracible

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Sep 12, 2020 13:53:06   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiters & waitresses, is customary. Your country may vary. My wife and I typically go to a restaurant once or twice a week (even in the age of CORONA). We typically tip 15% or maybe a bit more if the food/service is excellent.

What we've found is a sort of SCAM at many of the restaurants we patronize. The SUBTOTAL is the price of food and drink, and that's what the tip should be based upon. The government tacks on its pound of flesh in the form of 8 1/2% tax in our county. But what the restaurants are doing is adding the SUBTOTAL and the Tax, then using their math to calculate the tip on that. I don't begrudge the government for adding tax, but to pay a tip on that tax is just unconscionable.

In the example, the left side restaurant does their math "for your convenience." My, how convenient is that! For the restaurant on the right side you pay before you sit down, with a screen where you push a button for 15% or 18% or 20% or No Tip. When you push the button for 15% as I did, guess what...they base that tip calculation on Subtotal plus Tax, all unbeknownst to the patron. Not too cool!

So, going forward I will pay now with cash and with the appropriate tip added.
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiter... (show quote)


On a similar vein are the kiosks and other coffee bars the use the iPad to charge your credit card. When they spin it to you to sign it is always showing a healthy tip highlited for your convenience. It takes some maneuvering to choose 0 tip which is what I select for cup of coffee only that is pre brewed.

I finally quit going to several establishments because I was fed up with their little game. That is my choice; what you do is yours.

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Sep 12, 2020 13:54:31   #
hippi Loc: Sedalia MO
 
tomad wrote:
My wife is a server. She makes $2.50 per hour plus tips and you would begrudge her a few pennies on a bill like that. On top of that the tips are taken by the restaurant and divided up between all the staff so that the kitchen staff and bus boys get a share of her tips. Shame on you. These people work their a$$ off for very little pay from greedy restaurant owners.


my wife worked in the same many years ago in the '80s for the same amount of $'s same thing had too split the tips and then after you pay taxes you only have a few $'s left on your paycheck, so that is why I say pay a living wage to these people then a tip would not matter but hey if the service is good to great leave something extra

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Sep 12, 2020 14:02:11   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
You know, I might be called "selfish, crazy, mean, nasty hateful old woman" for my way of thinking but when I was young, tipping was based on how you were served. For me, it still is. Poor service, poor tip. No service, no tip, good service, good tip, GREAT service GREAT tip. Wanna know why? T.I.P.S. stands for something...or it used to and still should. Stands for "To Insure Prompt Service". People used to know that.

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Sep 12, 2020 14:35:42   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Horseart wrote:
You know, I might be called "selfish, crazy, mean, nasty hateful old woman" for my way of thinking but when I was young, tipping was based on how you were served. For me, it still is. Poor service, poor tip. No service, no tip, good service, good tip, GREAT service GREAT tip. Wanna know why? T.I.P.S. stands for something...or it used to and still should. Stands for "To Insure Prompt Service". People used to know that.


I know the belief that TIPS is an acronym of “To Insure Prompt Service” is widespread, but it has been debunked many times:

http://www.word-detective.com/2011/03/tip/

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Sep 12, 2020 14:59:18   #
Kozan Loc: Trenton Tennessee
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiters & waitresses, is customary. Your country may vary. My wife and I typically go to a restaurant once or twice a week (even in the age of CORONA). We typically tip 15% or maybe a bit more if the food/service is excellent.

What we've found is a sort of SCAM at many of the restaurants we patronize. The SUBTOTAL is the price of food and drink, and that's what the tip should be based upon. The government tacks on its pound of flesh in the form of 8 1/2% tax in our county. But what the restaurants are doing is adding the SUBTOTAL and the Tax, then using their math to calculate the tip on that. I don't begrudge the government for adding tax, but to pay a tip on that tax is just unconscionable.

In the example, the left side restaurant does their math "for your convenience." My, how convenient is that! For the restaurant on the right side you pay before you sit down, with a screen where you push a button for 15% or 18% or 20% or No Tip. When you push the button for 15% as I did, guess what...they base that tip calculation on Subtotal plus Tax, all unbeknownst to the patron. Not too cool!

So, going forward I will pay now with cash and with the appropriate tip added.
In the USA, tipping to service people, like waiter... (show quote)


Why are you upset with this. The tip goes to the waiter or waitress. It won't kill you to be nice to the servers. I try to pay the server in cash for obvious reasons. It's ALL there money. I usually tip about 50% of the total, because we need them and restaurant, i believe, only pay them $3.20 an hour. The servers depend on that tip. Be nice! Quit complaining!

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Sep 12, 2020 15:09:39   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Let's Give a minimum wage (by the government lay and require every privet business owner to pay it). Then what happens when the store owner has to charge $15.00 fo a hamburger? Will we then demand a $30.00 min wage?

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Sep 12, 2020 15:39:20   #
Bushpilot Loc: Minnesota
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Most people who work for tips work very hard and don't make that much money, and I don't begrudge them a good tip. These days a 20% tip is considered standard, so you're a little light there to begin with. The difference between the tip with or without tax isn't enough to worry about. Personally, if I felt tipping appropriately was beyond my budget, I would eat out less often.


I agree, I tip 20% on the final total for good service.

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Sep 12, 2020 15:56:05   #
lehighjack Loc: somewhere in FL
 
Picture Taker wrote:
Let's Give a minimum wage (by the government lay and require every privet business owner to pay it). Then what happens when the store owner has to charge $15.00 fo a hamburger? Will we then demand a $30.00 min wage?


Increasing Minimum Wages rarely does what is needed. Before the Chinese Flu hit, McDonald's and many Fast Food, as well as many Mid-Priced sit-down chains went to kiosk and at table computerized ordering. This reduced the amount of humans needed and consequently overhead. It s like the old saying, "Raise Taxes on corporations", the issue is that Corporation raises their prices or cuts services and quality. When the minimum wage hits a certain point, businesses either raise prices as high as market will sustain them, and/or cut serices and quality as low as market will accept. The final alternative is to shut down. Google Seattle Restaurants and minimum wage. In other ways, I agree with you. I worked back in the 1950s for less than a dollar an hour at a grocery store. The average new car was less than two thousand dollars.

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Sep 12, 2020 16:12:59   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
If you raise corporate tax the company has less moneyed won't raise salaries. And then you require them to pay a high minum wage they get a double hit. So the options are move out of the country, lay off people or close. If you raise prices and every one does. The raise does no good as the got more money but the prices went up. Every thing the buy is the same percent of the salary again. ie Salary went up 10%+ eggs went up 10%, bread went up 10%+ etc.

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Sep 12, 2020 16:24:57   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
HOHIMER wrote:
I think there were 8 tickets issued, so the extra charge was $32. ($4 / ticket.)


I do understand. They are letting you know how much extra service you are asking for and if each party pays such a small fee I don't find it overly expensive. I do however understand your feelings and when a large party is making arrangements it should be something they would tell you up front. It should not come as a suprise.

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Sep 12, 2020 16:45:49   #
Alafoto Loc: Montgomery, AL
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Most people who work for tips work very hard and don't make that much money, and I don't begrudge them a good tip. These days a 20% tip is considered standard, so you're a little light there to begin with. The difference between the tip with or without tax isn't enough to worry about. Personally, if I felt tipping appropriately was beyond my budget, I would eat out less often.


Have to agree.

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Sep 12, 2020 17:26:31   #
Meadwilliam
 
Get a life.

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Sep 12, 2020 18:30:33   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
What you might now know that in the past and some of the restuarants today don't pay the full amount
of the tips and a pool for the servers. Hotels and large establishments used to do this a lot.
I must say that with all the ripoffs and misleading charging going on in our lives this seems to be
a petty issue. It's the principal of it but today principal and honor seem to be a low point in our society.
You can get wifi, telephony and services in Paris for 20% of what we pay.
My registered company name Network Solutions even though it is a very small business now charges 4 or 5 times what other companies do. Moving risks losing your contact base.
Equifax has periodlically billed me $29 for a one month use to check my credit deal. I did that 2 years ago.
Bank said they are doing this often. Ambush charges for services the come out of your bank or credit
card. They will not remove the charge. Bank said open new account.
And how about bank credit card companies charging retirees 19% on a credit card and giving
1% to savings accounts. Of we got problems but they are not tips. They are our corrupt society.

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Sep 12, 2020 18:56:33   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Kozan wrote:
Why are you upset with this. The tip goes to the waiter or waitress. It won't kill you to be nice to the servers. I try to pay the server in cash for obvious reasons. It's ALL there money. I usually tip about 50% of the total, because we need them and restaurant, i believe, only pay them $3.20 an hour. The servers depend on that tip. Be nice! Quit complaining!

Some places require a server to split with the busboys.

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