FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA

I was under impression that images were not as sharp as without AA filter but I do notice that my images are quite sharp - at least sharp enuf for me anyways. In fact my old D7000 gave me good sharp images as well. But then again I am close to 80 and my eyes are not as good as they were when I was 20.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Moire is a real issue.
A good quality camera with a quality AA filter will produce as sharp a real world photo as any camera without the AA filter and NOT have all the problems with moire.
The only way you can tell the difference is by looking at individual pixels on a computer screen.
A real world photo viewed at real world viewing distance for the real world size NO one can tell the difference in sharpness.
Period.

Lagoonguy Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL

I hope so. I think I have now achieved a balance in my gear for my three areas of photographic interest; travel, birding & FF quality when I want it. At age 76 weight doesn’t matter now fortunately as much as it will in the future so I didn’t go with D850 and I just wasn’t interested in learning the Sony mirrorless system for birds with Nikon familiar gear available for my interest. Thanks for the reply and your interesting comments.

FiddleMaker Loc: Merrimac, MA

If I were to view the same subject taken with a 24MP camera having an AA filter and a similar camera without the AA filter - both with same lens, I am sure that I would not see the difference.
I can deal with the Moire issues with CC Ps/Lr should they appear.
I see that the D810 and D850 do not have the AA filter and that may be due to the sensors in those cameras having higher pixel densities. Not sure if this statement is correct so someone will need to chime in here if I am totally wrong.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Then why struggle with Moire in PP, further degrading the photo?

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

My guess is that if we pursued this all the way to the ground is that we would learn that current technology for anti-aliasing filters pretty much ends at the sensor densities where they stop being used, at least from the standpoint of what is practical to do. Of course, the other thing that happens is that the feature sizes start getting closer to the wavelengths representing them, resulting in an unavoidable granularity in the representation. My design engineer buddies had a running joke many years ago when they would struggle with a function on a new integrated circuit design. They would ask the marketing folks, "If we can't fix it, can we just feature it?" Sometimes I wonder if it wasn't always completely in jest, especially when they were particularly frustrated.

Of course, the type of optical interference that leads to Moire can also cause other problems. Some of you may remember early Samsung digital televisions that would break diagonal lines (like golf club shafts, for example) into a series of unaligned shorter segments. In this case, the problem was a weakness in the signal processor, but everything is pretty closely related when we are talking about digital depiction of images (or any other essentially analog artifact. The effect was very annoying and steered us away from Samsung TVs for a long time.

So some of this just has to be evaluated based on real world results and decisions made accordingly.

DennisC. Loc: Antelope, CA

Drain that bank account, Nikon needs the money.

fantom Loc: Colorado

Yes and yes.
I needed the touch screen and quick access and control of the "i" menu. The image quality is as good or better. Broader DR. Much better video and live view. Additional features such as focus stacking, silent shutter etc. are useful. Many of its features are directly incorporated from Nikon's mirrorless offerings. Read some of the reviews and you will agree.

Re the money: How many more cameras do you think you will be buying in your lifetime? Remember that while you wait for the price to come down (as it has) you are not taking pix with it but are using a camera you wish you had replaced.

fantom Loc: Colorado

False. The handling and additional features are explained well in numerous reviews.

fantom Loc: Colorado

There are a lot of opinions on this thread by people that are not aware of the facts.

New features for one. .They may not be of interest to everyone but they are welcome additions for the people that recognize them and want to take advantage of them.

BebuLamar

I don't think he has evidence but I think he may be right.

User ID

Jeeez ... all I said was ”Obviously the 780 is the end of the line.”

Stating the obvious, as being obvious, is not a debate position. Demanding hard evidence is a motion to initiate a debate. Therefor no evidence will be cited and 15 pages of parrot squawking will be avoided.

Rather obviously, Billnikon does see what is obvious. Why else would he “find [my] statement troubling” ? IOW “inconvenient truth” is, by its very definition, something troubling to the mind.

If, in some other thread, I were to remark that “Obviously the 5D mkIV is the end of the line”, I doubt I’d hear from a troubled Billnikon on that remark. Acoarst I’d most likely hear the same from a very troubled Joecanon instead ;-)

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

I learned a long time ago that it is impossible to predict what decisions may be made in a business or industry. That is sometimes true even if you are part of the team that is supposed to be making the decisions.

Before retiring, I worked in a plant that made refrigerated dough products. We made canned biscuits, cookie dough, and pie crusts. The most profitable product we made was large crescent rolls (in a three inch can). It was also, by both objective and subjective measurements, the best product we made. But it was something of a specialty product that sold at a high price point...just about the most expensive of our products in the grocery store, so even though demand was very consistent, volumes were not very high. We made and sold that product for probably about 15 years. It was important to out plant profit performance. But one of our new owners (our business changed ownership four times while I was there) one day decided to "rationalize" our product lines and summarily decreed that this product would be eliminated. And it was gone. Now understand...this product was not difficult to make. It did not require any exotic ingredients It's just that someone needed to demonstrate that he was doing something productive by "rationalizing" our products. We never, while I was there, replaced the profit that we lost with those crescent rolls. But they didn't come back. They have still not come back.

We see this all the time. Japanese companies can be the worst. Our china and pottery patterns were both discontinued by Mikasa a number of years ago, even though they were still very popular at the moment they were retired.

So trying to predict what may happen is really what we've always called a "fool's errand." You will never win. I won't either. When the decision is made, it will not be based on what is best for our group, either. We are not large enough to drive the market...just a small piece of it along for the ride. No amount of discussion is going to make us any more important in the decision. So my suggestion is to save the energy. Go outside and take pictures.

Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC

Like fantom said... New Features! "...They may not be of interest to everyone but they are welcome additions for the people that recognize them and want to take advantage of them..."

The ability for Auto FineTune at both ends of Zoom Optics is epic! Canon users have enjoyed this for over eight years now... I am not new to the dance and have considerable vintage "Pro" level zoom optics that are superb in the studio where VR, OS etc if virtually meaningless... The duration of my studio strobes make BOTH subject motion and camera shake irrelevant...

However Nikkors zooms from the 1980's to 2007 sometimes are difficult to Fine Tune... The D780 with Dual Fine Tune may (I will be renting before I buy) may go a long way to mitigate this issue...

Also the ability to automatically create bracketed sets for HDR has merit for shooting product...

Much of the negativity I feel is by those who really aren't commercial shooters who can appreciate features germane to their workflow... Sadly too many on UHH are more concerned about establishing their persona by the Brand/Model they shoot with rather than the worth/value of the imagery they obtain.

My "Go To" in my studio is still my Nikon D3x which is feature rich for a studio photographer... Even though I have a Nikon D810 I rarely use it (only on the soccer pitch for one of my long time clients). Yes the D810 works well however the D3x is head and shoulders above it for studio work... Guess I could say the D3x is the "end of the line" for Nikon's studio cameras... My clients absolutely do not require more resolution...However they do require breathtaking visual statements... which btw is certain not a consumer product...

Yes I totally agree the price of the D780 may not seem commiserate to oft hyped parameters such as megapixels... but the D780 to me has some serious potential to optimize my revenue stream and eliminate any need to invest in more glass... If you kit works for you and meets your clients expectations then smile can be happy... If you don't have clients, maybe you should work on your visual statement and marketing approach... All the best on your journey....

VABob

I sold my D750 after buying the D780. I find my of its features desirable. I love the touchscreen rear screen and ability to touch focus spot desired and exposure is done, unless you turn that feature off. I know that F mount lenses on the Z teleconverter can result in the hitting the release and dumping an expensive lens. Terrible Nikon design. D780 combines features from the Z and D850 and maybe it's the end of the line, but my D750 already had a bunch of clicks and it was time. Everyone has their own opinion, and some more informed than others.