Statistics are.convincing to those who don't know statistics (Page 6): Statistics prove that the one condition that 100% of the time leads to death is life.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Statistics prove that the one condition that 100% of the time leads to death is life.

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

[quote=oregonfrank][quote=Reuss Griffiths]If you are speaking about men only, the average number of gonads would be 2, discounting a vanishingly small part of the population born with only one. The number of women is irrelevant. If you're talking the entire population then the average would be slightly under 1, not 2. This whole conversation is an exercise in picking fly sh*t out of pepper which can be a lot of fun at times or not.[/quot

Gonads include both ovaries and testicles. So, the population average would be slightly under 2. I agree with you that points like this aren't really important and may be only a way to keep our brains active.[/quote]

Back to the fly and pepper analogy, Your original statement stated slightly less than 2 implying that the higher percentage of women in the population would shift the number "slightly downward" but since both men and women both have two gonads and discounting somone born with only one, the number is 2 not slightly less than 2. I think my pepper is a slightly cleaner now.

oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon

Reuss Griffiths wrote:

Back to the fly and pepper analogy, Your original statement stated slightly less than 2 implying that the higher percentage of women in the population would shift the number "slightly downward" but since both men and women both have two gonads and discounting somone born with only one, the number is 2 not slightly less than 2. I think my pepper is a slightly cleaner now.

In my original statement I did not discount the rare individuals who may be born with one gonad. Could it be that we are both correct, depending on the bases for our estimates? Frank

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

Sounds plausible. But I'd bet that you weren't thinking about birth defects when you made that statement. But given that this whole forum is about probability, I decided to flip a coin to see who wins. You lost. Just kidding but it would provide you an opportunity to construct a narrative where you could return the favor. This kind of banter is much preferable to poking at each other's politics. Good fun sparring with you. Keep checking that pepper.

Reuss (sounds like Royce)

oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon

Reuss Griffiths wrote:

Sounds plausible. But I'd bet that you weren't thinking about birth defects when you made that statement. But given that this whole forum is about probability, I decided to flip a coin to see who wins. You lost. Just kidding but it would provide you an opportunity to construct a narrative where you could return the favor. This kind of banter is much preferable to poking at each other's politics. Good fun sparring with you. Keep checking that pepper.

Reuss (sounds like Royce)

I was not thinking about birth defects per se, but I deliberately said slightly under 2 because I knew that not everyone in a population is born with 2 gonads, male or female. I suggest that all of us are asymmetrical in some way(s). Flip the coin 100 times, using 4 flippers @ 25 flips each, 2 male and 2 female, and I will choose tails! Frank

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

oregonfrank wrote:

I was not thinking about birth defects per se, but I deliberately said slightly under 2 because I knew that not everyone in a population is born with 2 gonads, male or female. I suggest that all of us are asymmetrical in some way(s). Flip the coin 100 times, using 4 flippers @ 25 flips each, 2 male and 2 female, and I will choose tails! Frank

I followed you instructions to the letter and you still lost. Got to admit though, one of the flippers wasn't that sure of their gender. Seriously, these idiosyncracies add flavor to life. Without them and the conformity that would mean would bring a world so boring, no one would want to live there.

oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon

Reuss Griffiths wrote:

I followed you instructions to the letter and you still lost. Got to admit though, one of the flippers wasn't that sure of their gender. Seriously, these idiosyncracies add flavor to life. Without them and the conformity that would mean would bring a world so boring, no one would want to live there.

Even though it has been fun, I’ll never gamble with you again. Maybe the uncertain gender is in flux. Are you always this consistent? Frank

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

Probably

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

SteveR wrote:

Ask the next 30 people you see what their birthdays are. Chances are, one of them will have your birth date (not year).

At one time when I was working for a small firm of, I think, 28 persons, there were four others with my birthday. I'm not sure what the odds are of five people out of 28 having the same birthday.

Marionsho Loc: Kansas

jackm1943 wrote:

At one time when I was working for a small firm of, I think, 28 persons, there were four others with my birthday. I'm not sure what the odds are of five people out of 28 having the same birthday.

Astronomical Jack.

Hope to see you soon.
Marion