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Sep 2, 2020 13:03:42   #
Doddy Loc: Barnard Castle-England
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
Hilarious......


Google it.

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Sep 2, 2020 13:27:37   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RahulKhosla wrote:
Would a dedicated video camera better than using my DSLR’s (D5, D850,D500) for video? Use cases are mostly wildlife (safaris) and birding.

If yes, what would be an optimal combination of weight, capabilities and price? I don’t want to buy / carry jumbo type video cams 🤣


Most Nikons are fantastic for stills, but not optimal for video.

If you want an excellent hybrid (stills plus video) system, look at the Panasonic Lumix S1H full frame plus Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma lenses (they all use the Leica L mount). They are expensive, but for video, they are reasonably priced. The S1H meets Netflix standards for pro-grade video! The ONLY weak point of this and other Lumix models is contrast detect autofocus, but filmmakers usually pull focus manually, so we just don't care. Bloggers are another matter... But the S1H is total overkill for blogging.

Also look at the Panasonic Lumix GH5 and GH5s. The Lumix G9 is better at stills, but it records excellent video. The GH series are hybrid-optimized for video first. The GH5s is aimed at filmmakers who work in low light or cannot use in-body image stabilization in run-and-gun situations.

All Lumix G-series cameras are Micro 4/3 format and use the same 110+ lenses from Olympus, Panasonic, Panasonic Leica, and several others. They can adapt SLR and dSLR lenses with varying degrees of annoyance. Canon EF-mount lenses adapt best, and Nikon lenses adapt worse. If you just want a totally manual experience, a $30 adapter is available to work with most old lenses.

Remember that AUDIO is the big challenge. If you are using Canons or Nikons, you will probably want to use a separate audio recorder and record at a 48KHz sampling frequency. Then you will need to sync the audio in post. The Lumix cameras have excellent pre-amps, limiters, meters, an XLR input adapter, and usable 70 to 76db signal-to-noise ratio. That makes onboard sound recording from external microphones useful for documentaries and other simple production work.

I've used GH4 bodies for several years, and I'm amazed by them every time I pick them up. I had several dedicated video cameras from 1983 to 2012, and hated the camcorder form factor. I grew up with Nikons in my hands, so I wanted that form factor for everything. My GH4s feel like my old F3s. They're built like them, too, and weather-sealed.

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Sep 2, 2020 15:18:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
burkphoto wrote:
Most Nikons are fantastic for stills, but not optimal for video.

If you want an excellent hybrid (stills plus video) system, look at the Panasonic Lumix S1H full frame plus Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma lenses (they all use the Leica L mount). They are expensive, but for video, they are reasonably priced. The S1H meets Netflix standards for pro-grade video! The ONLY weak point of this and other Lumix models is contrast detect autofocus, but filmmakers usually pull focus manually, so we just don't care. Bloggers are another matter... But the S1H is total overkill for blogging.

Also look at the Panasonic Lumix GH5 and GH5s. The Lumix G9 is better at stills, but it records excellent video. The GH series are hybrid-optimized for video first. The GH5s is aimed at filmmakers who work in low light or cannot use in-body image stabilization in run-and-gun situations.

All Lumix G-series cameras are Micro 4/3 format and use the same 110+ lenses from Olympus, Panasonic, Panasonic Leica, and several others. They can adapt SLR and dSLR lenses with varying degrees of annoyance. Canon EF-mount lenses adapt best, and Nikon lenses adapt worse. If you just want a totally manual experience, a $30 adapter is available to work with most old lenses.

Remember that AUDIO is the big challenge. If you are using Canons or Nikons, you will probably want to use a separate audio recorder and record at a 48KHz sampling frequency. Then you will need to sync the audio in post. The Lumix cameras have excellent pre-amps, limiters, meters, an XLR input adapter, and usable 70 to 76db signal-to-noise ratio. That makes onboard sound recording from external microphones useful for documentaries and other simple production work.

I've used GH4 bodies for several years, and I'm amazed by them every time I pick them up. I had several dedicated video cameras from 1983 to 2012, and hated the camcorder form factor. I grew up with Nikons in my hands, so I wanted that form factor for everything. My GH4s feel like my old F3s. They're built like them, too, and weather-sealed.
Most Nikons are fantastic for stills, but not opti... (show quote)



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Sep 2, 2020 15:36:27   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
Hilarious......


Hilarious maybe, but very true. That is why DSLR cameras shut off at 30 mins. A video camera is at a different tax bracket, possibly for import. I assume you did not know that.

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Sep 2, 2020 15:43:35   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Doddy wrote:
If I remember rightly, a dedicated video camera will continue to record until either the battery runs out or SD card fills up. A camera will at most run continuously for only 30 minutes, due to tax laws that deem a camera that runs longer than 30 mins is a 'Video Camera'.


The vast majority of videos are edited series of clips. The 30 minute limit is true for a lot of cameras, but is usually meaningless in practice. The exceptions are long (boring) recordings of a speech, lecture or concert.

Good luck finding viewers if you ever make a single shot 30 minute recording!

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Sep 2, 2020 16:17:58   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bsprague wrote:
The vast majority of videos are edited series of clips. The 30 minute limit is true for a lot of cameras, but is usually meaningless in practice. The exceptions are long (boring) recordings of a speech, lecture or concert.

Good luck finding viewers if you ever make a single shot 30 minute recording!


Or even 3 minute boring clips of a boring vacation or birthday party.

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Sep 2, 2020 16:31:49   #
The Capt.
 
Doddy wrote:
If I remember rightly, a dedicated video camera will continue to record until either the battery runs out or SD card fills up. A camera will at most run continuously for only 30 minutes, due to tax laws that deem a camera that runs longer than 30 mins is a 'Video Camera'.


Yes, but the Nikon D850 and I assume some others can stream video until the battery runs out.

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Sep 2, 2020 17:51:03   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Or even 3 minute boring clips of a boring vacation or birthday party.


I was shocked a few years ago when I read a book about video. It said, the scene or "clip" needs to change every 3 to 5 seconds. I didn't believe it. I watched some TV while counting "One thousand one, one thousand two, etc". It is true. Try it.

If you do that, the odds on someone watching your vacation or birthday videos will improve markedly.

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Sep 2, 2020 18:20:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bsprague wrote:
I was shocked a few years ago when I read a book about video. It said, the scene or "clip" needs to change every 3 to 5 seconds. I didn't believe it. I watched some TV while counting "One thousand one, one thousand two, etc". It is true. Try it.

If you do that, the odds on someone watching your vacation or birthday videos will improve markedly.


Perhaps.
That is a lot of work and literally hours on the cutting room floor.
I also critically watch TV and movies this way as you did.
It is a lot of very hard work to produce a movie/video worth looking at.
Perhaps some immediate family might enjoy home movies if they are in them as well.
I watch some my Grandfather did with his 16mm camera (Which I have) They technically suck and would bore to death strangers but I enjoy seeing my mother young and siblings and cousins as very young children and we laugh.
Some of the combat zone in the Pacific my uncle took are only interesting because of the period and unique subject, WWII. But others might find them also uninspiring and boring.

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Sep 2, 2020 22:39:46   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
I have to add a camera to the Lumix list: the new S5. It borrows from the S1 and the S1H, and adds quite a few refinements. Again, the tracking performance of AF for video is NOT good, so bloggers will dismiss it, but otherwise, it is a great stills camera for weddings and portraits, and a filmmaker's budget full frame camera. It even handles anamorphic lenses for wide-screen cinema movies. Encouraging reviews are showing up on YouTube by the usual reviewers. Gerald Undone has a very detailed analysis.

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Sep 3, 2020 00:50:47   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
burkphoto wrote:
I had several dedicated video cameras from 1983 to 2012, and hated the camcorder form factor.


LOL, too much time behind one of those and one learns to keep both eyes open, each looking at something else. An eye and half a brain operates the camera, keeps focus & composition while the other half brain and eye, looks at the surrounding to keep from tripping over something as one moves about while shooting.

I still remember the Betamax video recorder. Feels like lugging a car at the end of the day, cost almost the same as a small car too. The VHS was even bigger and pairs to a handbag (shoulder strapped) recorder.

That's me with the bazooka LOL, way back in the 80's





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Sep 3, 2020 00:54:19   #
sweedsss31
 
I've been using camcorders for some years. I just started using a Canon Vixia HF G50 -(4K) camcorder
(a round a $1000.00) I'm very happy with the quality of video and the photos.

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Sep 3, 2020 01:24:44   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
sweedsss31 wrote:
I've been using camcorders for some years. I just started using a Canon Vixia HF G50 -(4K) camcorder
(a round a $1000.00) I'm very happy with the quality of video and the photos.


Things have have changed so very far.

From the jerrycan sized video cameras with a 640x480 pixel VGA resolution of the yesteryear to present days' matchbox sized 4096x2160 pixel 4k go pro and the even smaller snake probes.

Technology is amazing stuff.

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Sep 3, 2020 01:36:56   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
bsprague wrote:
RahulKhosla,

You have several choices:

1. The "action camera" group including the GoPro emphasis wide angle, slow motion effects and stabilization.
2. Dedicated "HD" palm sized camcorder. There are fewer than there used to be because HD is being replaced by 4K. But, they are pretty cheap, especially if you get a used one. The Panasonic TM900 was at the peak for the HD camcorder era.
3. Buy a 4K camcorder like the Sony FDR-AX100
4. Buy a "hybrid" mirrorless camera that emphasizes video quality and features along with photo quality. The Panasonic GH5 is one example. Sony's most recent full frame releases too.
5. Keep using typical DSLRs. They all have video buttons and do a pretty good job. Good enough that you may never notice any weaknesses unless you get serious about videography.
RahulKhosla, br br You have several choices: br ... (show quote)


For most people’s video needs just about any current mirrorless offering does good video. Yes the Panasonic GH5 is a great video centric mirrorless camera but he could get a Nikon Z6 or even Z50 and get really good video and a great stills camera be able to use his existing lenses with the adapter.

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Sep 3, 2020 03:30:10   #
Doddy Loc: Barnard Castle-England
 
The Capt. wrote:
Yes, but the Nikon D850 and I assume some others can stream video until the battery runs out.


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