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Aug 24, 2020 15:32:42   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
DarthMicrowave wrote:
This post makes sense...I assume it'll be ignored.

All ready you are wrong - twice.

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Aug 24, 2020 15:41:13   #
DarthMicrowave
 
rehess wrote:
All ready you are wrong - twice.


Says the guy who ignored a similar post from page one...also from Robert

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Aug 24, 2020 17:13:32   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
Again, if they closed in person classes within a week those people got infected at least a week before classes started.
What they should have done was test everyone on week one without holding classes, do on-line for two weeks with testing for everyone again at the end of the two weeks (isolation, etc during those two weeks) and then open classes only with people who did not test positive during that two week period. Then enforce distancing, masks, gloves as needed, sanitation etc. And periodic testing until they get zero positives for a month or so.
Again, if they closed in person classes within a w... (show quote)


I agree Robert. Duke University, just a few miles away, did exactly that and have had very few cases. In fairness, they have access to the Duke Medical center for weekly testing and fast turn around, and unlike UNC or NC State (where many of the clusters are at off-campus fraternity and sorority houses), I believe all Duke’s frat houses are on campus where parties and testing are more easily regulated.

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Aug 24, 2020 17:38:58   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
TriX wrote:
I agree Robert. Duke University, just a few miles away, did exactly that and have had very few cases. In fairness, they have access to the Duke Medical center for weekly testing and fast turn around, and unlike UNC or NC State (where many of the clusters are at off-campus fraternity and sorority houses), I believe all Duke’s frat houses are on campus where parties and testing are more easily regulated.


Huh? You mean late teen and early twenty-somethings need adult supervision?
I thought they were the most intelligent, wisest and perfect humans on the planet?
And if you don't believe that just ask them and they will tell you it is so!!!

Just because they are at medical school (or running one) doesn't automatically mean they get it right.
Our Daughter just finished her second year at University of Virginia Med School and partly as a break, partly to avoid the lower quality on-line classes and partly to avoid being around the idiots so much she opted to do one semester as a Research Lab Assistant working on something no one ever did a formal study on before. She already has her name on another study done by a surgeon at Kaiser LA between Pre-Med and Med School. She did so well he had her re-write stuff a couple of other Research Interns did. Her name tag on her scrubs just said "Intern", no "Lab" or "Research" so everyone in the halls, medical library etc around the two Kaiser Medical Centers where she went to do the work was always calling her "Doctor". She got a kick out of that.

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Aug 24, 2020 17:39:06   #
redlegfrog
 
PH CIB wrote:
The Government Response both Parties to the Pandemic has been mostly a Failure, now We are being set up again whether intentionally or unintentionally for the Perfect Storm, Labor Day Weekend, Schools reopening for In Person Classroom Instruction, the Flu Season and Covid.... 170,000 Dead and Counting....Personally I would like to fire Everyone in Charge and Start Over....


This fear thing is out of control. Please don't let it control your life



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Aug 24, 2020 17:50:24   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
redlegfrog wrote:
This fear thing is out of control. Please don't let it control your life


But the 6 O'Clock news ....!!!!!!!!!!

Esp those pictures of refrigerated trucks at hospital morgues - most people think those morgues have room for hundreds, in real life the average one has room for a dozen or so. And that is a large hospital.
Those trucks in NYC upped the body storage room by 300%.

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Aug 24, 2020 18:00:03   #
srt101fan
 
redlegfrog wrote:
This fear thing is out of control. Please don't let it control your life


Yeah, looking at your graphic, it's scary to see how people can be so ignorant about what goes on. But I don't think it's fear that's leading them to the wrong statistics on Covid-19. It's just an unfortunate inability or unwillingness by so many people to stay informed on a whole range of important subjects. And an unfortunate inability or unwillingness to keep their mouths shut when they don't know the answer to a question...

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Aug 24, 2020 19:05:26   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
redlegfrog wrote:
This fear thing is out of control. Please don't let it control your life

Fear does not control my life, but caution does.

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Aug 25, 2020 11:36:46   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Now Ohio State has had to suspend 228 students, even as officials are now warning of ‘up ticks’ in infections in our part of the country.

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Aug 25, 2020 13:50:45   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
I had a "duh!" moment.

I will bet that the college students who are testing positive right after the start of classes either themselves or friends they hung out with just had to have one last "Party" (week of parties) before going back to school. So one or a series of parties, beach trips etc etc. Caught the virus, probably left a few cases at home to remember them by and brought it to campus to screw things up and imperil the staff and all the students who didn't have one last attack of "Stupid" before going back to school.

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Aug 25, 2020 14:11:04   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
robertjerl wrote:
I had a "duh!" moment.

I will bet that the college students who are testing positive right after the start of classes either themselves or friends they hung out with just had to have one last "Party" (week of parties) before going back to school. So one or a series of parties, beach trips etc etc. Caught the virus, probably left a few cases at home to remember them by and brought it to campus to screw things up and imperil the staff and all the students who didn't have one last attack of "Stupid" before going back to school.
I had a "duh!" moment. br br I will bet... (show quote)

Yes, and they do not think logically, at least not as we see it.

I learned that my first year of college teaching. After complaining all morning about having to come to college in a snowfall - as soon as classes were canceled, the {mostly 'off campus'} upper-class computer majors {we did not have very many} piled into a car - and drove to the computer store to buy the latest game! {then returned to campus and used a lab computer to play it}.

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Aug 25, 2020 14:11:24   #
exakta56 Loc: Orford,New Hampshire
 
This virus is SERIOUS! It knows not friend from foe, nor stranger from loved one.

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Aug 25, 2020 14:14:51   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
exakta56 wrote:
This virus is SERIOUS! It knows not friend from foe, nor stranger from loved one.

But, college students have a demonstrated inability to separate a serious problem in the 'outside world' from their own behavior!!

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Aug 25, 2020 15:21:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rehess wrote:
Yes, and they do not think logically, at least not as we see it.

I learned that my first year of college teaching. After complaining all morning about having to come to college in a snowfall - as soon as classes were canceled, the {mostly 'off campus'} upper-class computer majors {we did not have very many} piled into a car - and drove to the computer store to buy the latest game! {then returned to campus and used a lab computer to play it}.


Thank God for the other type of student.
For 7 years I taught US and World History in the "University Preparatory Program" at a high school in East Los Angeles. The program was run by the Science, Math and Engineering departments at California State University Los Angeles (I graduated from there when it was still a "...State College". The program was aimed at the kids just below "Gifted" on the theory that the "gifted/AP" and the "at risk" had government money shoveled at them. We had visits by professors, Saturday lab classes at the university, field trips, internships at places like JPL etc. The student and their parents signed a contract with requirements and anyone who graduated with the contract completed was guaranteed admission to Cal State LA or help from the university to get them in some other school for the major they wanted. There were also scholarships and grants available. The idea was to get those kids into science, math, engineering or the teaching of same. The Gifted were not allowed into the program-they had their own program-and I had a few students who had been in GATE classes since early elementary who deliberately messed up their annual evaluations to get kicked out of GATE and get into UPP. When I retired a group of parents were trying to get the UPP to become a kind of umbrella program with the GATE and AP students merged in. It was considered that good a deal.
I had one student who did a summer internship at JPL that went so well he got hired as a part time lab assistant, JPL got him a scholarship and admission to Cal Tech. With a job on graduation.
One side effect, the average UPP student had a 98+% attendance, at a school where the average attendance was about 81%. And almost none of them ever got referred to the Dean. Many of the other teachers were so upset that we "siphoned off" all the good students (the program only had 300 of 4-5000 students on three tracks, yes a BIG school) they began to use the union and seniority to force out teachers who helped start the program and take their place. For the most part the Professors from Cal State resisted that, and they controlled the money for the UPP. We were the second HS in East LA to get the program and the Engineering Dept at Cal State (one of the biggest in the state) said 40% of their incoming majors each year were from our two schools.
I got scheduled out of the UPP academic classes when a new Vice-Principal got upset because I turned down her ideas for my using the latest "fad teaching method" in my classes. And about a year later I was talking to one of the professors and he indicated she told them that I left the UPP on my request. Since I was retiring at the end of the school year I told him not to raise a fuss over it. He was upset she had lied to him.
Later at my last department meeting before retirement the air head didn't even remember she kicked me out. In the meeting after they announced my retirement she says "Why did you leave the UPP? The students and parents keep asking about you. You were very popular with them." She didn't remember she scheduled me out over a "fad" method (she was the coordinator for that fad) that had already failed and been dropped by the district since then.
My two days after finals were over my students and a fair number of UPP students turned my room into an all day "pot luck" pig out and retirement party. The exact words of the girl who organized it were "You are retiring and won't be back to do anything about us breaking the no party rule. We are having a retirement party for you!" And they did, she even gathered a few jocks to pack all my stuff and put it in my mini-van on the last day. Then they cleaned the room better than it had been in years.

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Aug 25, 2020 16:30:26   #
redlegfrog
 
rehess wrote:
Now Ohio State has had to suspend 228 students, even as officials are now warning of ‘up ticks’ in infections in our part of the country.


So now we have a test group. Lets check back in 2 -3 weeks and see want the out come for these kids are.

I'm still waiting for the report out of Sturges. A couple hundred thousand of all ages now spread back around America. It should be making headlines everywhere don't ya think?

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