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Aug 22, 2020 22:51:30   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Grahame wrote:
Thanks for the response.



The position I will be in is that say a Z6 (or other mirrorless) would be purchased and become 'backup' to my present DSLR, the D800 which does absolutely everything I want it to. So my thoughts are that it needs to be at least 'equally as capable' (in specific areas I need) or if better that of course is a bonus.


I suspect that if you picked up a Z6 the D800 will quickly become the backup.

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Aug 22, 2020 23:15:44   #
gwilliams6
 
5 Reasons to Upgrade Your Nikon DSLR to a Z Series Mirrorless Camera

https://www.artscameras.com/blog/5-reasons-to-upgrade-your-nikon-dslr-to-a-z-series-mirrorless-camera/

FYI, I was a Pro Nikon and Canon SLR and DLSR user (both brands) for 40 years ,made many award-winning shots with them around the world, and then moved to fullframe mirrorless in 2017 and have no regrets. There are just some things mirrorless can do that DSLRs will never be able physically to do. I personally love those advantages every time I pick up my mirrorless cameras.

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Aug 22, 2020 23:32:20   #
gwilliams6
 
AP (Associated Press) the huge global news organization, just made the move from DSLRs (Canon) to fullframe mirrorless (Sony) for all their staff photographers and videographers worldwide. The Nikon Z cameras are excellent fullframe mirrorless cameras too.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/#:~:text=Today%20the%20Associated%20Press%20(AP,creates%20and%20distributes%20content%20worldwide.

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Aug 23, 2020 00:12:01   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Thanks for the responses.

SuperflyTNT wrote:
If I were to get another camera it would be the Z6 for its low light performance.


Low light performance, but with respect to useability, is the main area of which I need to convince myself before taking the plunge.

I'll give a couple of examples.

No 1 - Low Light Action

The example shown requires that an EVF gives a useable clear image to both track and confirm focus achieved on fast moving subjects coming towards you that are very poorly lit. Lighting here has been added by flash.

The OVF is clean and fine in this light. I have no idea if an EVF (taking latest technology say Z6) would be comparably as clean in the same light or possibly be affected by 'refresh' delay?

No 2 - Low Light Static

In the example scene shown it was impossible with the naked eye to see anything other than subject total silouette against the background sky. It was so dark I could not see the small tree shoots surrounding the tree.

With an OVF I was able to shine a narrow torch beam on the trunk and easily manually focus. Would an EVF (taking latest technology say Z6) be as useable? I have read differing views reagrding an EVF use in almost total darkness scenes.

It would be great to hear peoples actual experience and their examples in similar situations.


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Aug 23, 2020 00:48:56   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Grahame wrote:
Thanks for the responses.



Low light performance, but with respect to useability, is the main area of which I need to convince myself before taking the plunge.

I'll give a couple of examples.

No 1 - Low Light Action

The example shown requires that an EVF gives a useable clear image to both track and confirm focus achieved on fast moving subjects coming towards you that are very poorly lit. Lighting here has been added by flash.

The OVF is clean and fine in this light. I have no idea if an EVF (taking latest technology say Z6) would be comparably as clean in the same light or possibly be affected by 'refresh' delay?

No 2 - Low Light Static

In the example scene shown it was impossible with the naked eye to see anything other than subject total silouette against the background sky. It was so dark I could not see the small tree shoots surrounding the tree.

With an OVF I was able to shine a narrow torch beam on the trunk and easily manually focus. Would an EVF (taking latest technology say Z6) be as useable? I have read differing views reagrding an EVF use in almost total darkness scenes.

It would be great to hear peoples actual experience and their examples in similar situations.
Thanks for the responses. br br br br Low light... (show quote)


I can’t speak to the first scenario as I haven’t used flash with the Z7 yet, but the second scenario would easy. Not only can I see the exposure of the scene, but in manual focus I not only have focus peaking and focus zoom to magnify my focus point.

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Aug 23, 2020 02:52:31   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I can’t speak to the first scenario as I haven’t used flash with the Z7 yet,


The first scenario is not so much to do with flash use, but how good the EVF is in that lighting condition. For those type of shots I set the camera around f/5.6, 1/200, ISO1600 which gives reasonable 'true ambient light' in the scene. These settings are based upon the bare minimum speed to freeze any motion, the almost max aperture that gives some leeway for DoF which in turn gives a minimum ISO.

What I don't know is how good/clear is the EVF at those settings?

IDguy mentioned Z6 flash use in an earlier post and on further investigation it appears there's a selectable mode where when fitting a flash the EVF can be set to brighten. I'm not sure if this would increase any 'mush' that is already there or not.

Here's a link, not the Z6 but it does mention 'noisy' EVF at night/low light.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/tips-and-solutions/night-photography-mirrorless-fujifilm-x-t1

SuperflyTNT wrote:
but the second scenario would easy. Not only can I see the exposure of the scene, but in manual focus I not only have focus peaking and focus zoom to magnify my focus point.


That's reassuring that focus peaking would work in such low light levels.

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Aug 23, 2020 10:10:51   #
SparkyNYC Loc: NYC & Coconut Creek,Fl
 
I went from a D5300 to a Z50.
It's still a learning curve.
I love the 11fps vs 5fps
For me the hardest thing to get used to is the EVF, there is a time lapse that I didn't have on my 5300.
I do love the touch screen,and controls.
Honestly I have not shot with my 5300 since I received the Z50.
I need to go back and see what I used vs what I use

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Aug 23, 2020 10:52:01   #
gwilliams6
 
An EVF can boost the gain so you can see in darkness that an OVF cant possibly see in without adding supplemental light. I use that mirrorless feature all the time for astro and other low light shooting scenarios. The best EVFs have fast refresh rates and large resolutions. I dont miss my OVF at all and really prefer all the advantages of the EVF for a real-time look at the effects of my actual exposure and other settings, before I take the photo. No OVF can ever do that. An no OVF can ever do EYE-AF since it has the mirror in the way blocking the sensor. Cheers

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Aug 23, 2020 11:10:25   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
With the wrong camera, success is probably 99% luck. But with a mirrorless camera, it's 100% the photographer.

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Aug 23, 2020 19:25:41   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
SparkyNYC wrote:
For me the hardest thing to get used to is the EVF, there is a time lapse that I didn't have on my 5300.


Have you found that this "time lapse" has reduced your ability to capture any shots that you would have achieved with an OVF?

Or is it just a a case of it being 'wierd' and a different experience

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Aug 23, 2020 21:34:44   #
reindeer Loc: London U.K.
 
A D3300 can almost do everything you might wNt to do. You will gain nothing in resolution. D 3300 is easy to carry at age 70. Why waste your money?

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Aug 24, 2020 06:26:28   #
WCS
 
I had a D5500, light, handy,etc., but limited. I couldn't use my old manual lenses effectively. I researched and got a D7000. More controls and it feels more like 'photography' than just 'point and shoot'. I thought of upgrading but the reality for me was it wasn't going to make me a better photographer, just better equipment. And for the $500 it was going to cost, perhaps I should spend it on a field trip and top quality printing of what I shoot. I'm an mature amateur!

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Aug 24, 2020 06:34:52   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The longer you read UHH, the more expensive it gets.

If you can freely spend money on camera equipment, like what seems like the majority of the UHH community, then the Nikon Z50 with an adapter to your DSLR lenses will maintain your existing lenses.

But seriously: your D3300 is a fully professional-capable digital camera with the current industry-standard 24MP sensor. A Z50 is a $850 purchase, body only, that actually steps down in resolution to 21MP.

Is another $850 the cost of making you happy with your camera? Will it make you a better photographer? Only you can decide.
The longer you read UHH, the more expensive it get... (show quote)


Sound advise. I think your statement reflects the same every day responders. Perhaps not the whole "community"

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Aug 24, 2020 07:36:07   #
WCS
 
Thanks, I agree. I'm enjoying this 'community' as well and appreciate your comment, Colihar~

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Aug 24, 2020 11:10:41   #
gwilliams6
 
Grahame wrote:
Have you found that this "time lapse" has reduced your ability to capture any shots that you would have achieved with an OVF?

Or is it just a a case of it being 'wierd' and a different experience


I can shoot 20 fps per second on my Sony EVF and no time lag. Modern EVFs are fine, fast refresh rates.

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