Stephan G wrote:
Sporadically I have seen mention by an UHH-er having color blindness. Since I do not have this myself, I cannot speak about it. However, I think that this is a serious situation that would benefit further discussion. I am sure that the topic may have been approached in the past. It would be good to help the many of us to be brought up to date.
Any and all commentary will be appreciated.
I am shade blind and use the auto correct feature in Photoshop CC to correct for my handicap. I am Deuteranomaly which can be corrected by most high end editors.
repleo wrote:
If red and green are problem colors, why are they used on traffic lights. Just curious.
Dogs are red/green color blind. If a Guide Dog, they 'go' when the bottom traffic light is lit and 'stop' if the top traffic light is lit.
If you know the problem, you can learn to adapt to a non-colorblind world, at least superficially.
Color Blindness - the inability to see colors and see in shades of grey - is extremely rare. Color deficiency is quite common affecting about 20% of males. It is genetically passed through the female and color deficiency in females is rare. Red/Green deficiency is the most common.
I have some deficiency however it is not at all disabling, Though occasionally I get the color of my wife's dress wrong which can be a bit traumatic. Green stop lights appear white, red appear red and yellow yellow.
In processing color photos I don't really have an issue per reviews by my wife.
Interesting topic and the effects are quite individual.
I am colorblind...can't identify the numbers on the color charts during my eye exam. Mostly the red/gree variety but purple looks like a dark blue, pink looks like a light blue. Let's not even discuss anything outside of the basic pastel color palet.
It is hereditary and typically passed from a male, throught his daughter and on to that woman's son. My grandpa on my mom's side was colorblind. If my daughter has a son, he will likely be colorblind.
I see colors, but couldn't often tell you what they are. I shoot in raw and use Photoshop Elements to auto adjust the vibrance, balance and saturation. From there, I crop and adjust sharpness and noise.
I have been guilty of over saturation just so I can see the image pop a little more.
I am curious what the value would be of learning lightroom since it seems like the tools are amazing but largely related to color asjustments.
Thoughs?
maciej wrote:
Color Blindness - the inability to see colors and see in shades of grey - is extremely rare. Color deficiency is quite common affecting about 20% of males. It is genetically passed through the female and color deficiency in females is rare. Red/Green deficiency is the most common.
I have some deficiency however it is not at all disabling, Though occasionally I get the color of my wife's dress wrong which can be a bit traumatic. Green stop lights appear white, red appear red and yellow yellow.
In processing color photos I don't really have an issue per reviews by my wife.
Interesting topic and the effects are quite individual.
Color Blindness - the inability to see colors and ... (
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A major observation missing in this thread relates to how different individual's vision can be:
IT IS ALL IN THE MIND. THE WORLD IS NOT COLORED!
The rays of light entering the visual system vary in wavelength and frequency as well as intensity. These do not represent color. The rays are not colored. Evolution has produced a human visual system that presents us the phenomenon of color in the mind by responding differentially to variations over a limited range of electro-magnetic rays. No one can know what anyone else experiences as color or intensity. The concept of correct color is a fiction based on perceptions based on high levels of the bell-shaped-curve of normal distribution.
I have mentioned before that everything you "know" is wrong.
Luft wrote:
A major observation missing in this thread relates to how different individual's vision can be:
IT IS ALL IN THE MIND. THE WORLD IS NOT COLORED!
The rays of light entering the visual system vary in wavelength and frequency as well as intensity. These do not represent color. The rays are not colored. Evolution has produced a human visual system that presents us the phenomenon of color in the mind by responding differentially to variations over a limited range of electro-magnetic rays. No one can know what anyone else experiences as color or intensity. The concept of correct color is a fiction based on perceptions based on high levels of the bell-shaped-curve of normal distribution.
I have mentioned before that everything you "know" is wrong.
A major observation missing in this thread relates... (
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Sounds more like your title should be Luftwaffe?
Brucej67 wrote:
Sounds more like your title should be Luftwaffe?
1954 VF-61 NAS Oceana, various carriers. We were reading "I Flew for the Fuehrer" Being obviously a Kraut, my handle for life became Luft, shortened after a time from Luftwaffe. (Pfeiff = pipe, so jet fighters). In family I am Grandpa Luft. Thanks.
Luft wrote:
1954 VF-61 NAS Oceana, various carriers. We were reading "I Flew for the Fuehrer" Being obviously a Kraut, my handle for life became Luft, shortened after a time from Luftwaffe. (Pfeiff = pipe, so jet fighters). In family I am Grandpa Luft. Thanks.
My mother was born in Berlin in 1914 and left for England at the start of the war with my brother and sister (my father was already in England), I was born in Scotland and when I was 10 years old immigrated to the USA with my parents. During the Veietnam war I served in the Army in Schwetzingen Germany 17 miles out of Heidelberg, best tour of duty to have. I loved Germany and its people.
Stephan G wrote:
Sporadically I have seen mention by an UHH-er having color blindness. Since I do not have this myself, I cannot speak about it. However, I think that this is a serious situation that would benefit further discussion. I am sure that the topic may have been approached in the past. It would be good to help the many of us to be brought up to date.
Any and all commentary will be appreciated.
FWIW, there are special glasses that help some people who have color blindness. A local teacher was given a pair by his students and he stated that it changed his life. I have an elderly color-blind friend in Wales who tried them, but he said the glasses made marginal difference. However, his color blindness is considered profound.
When I was in high school, I worked as an audio and video engineer at a local TV station. Back then, our signal was B&W only. After reading a physiology journal article from Duke, I thought I would try to have color show on the B&W TVs of our viewing audience. I created the special video to make a Coke commercial flash Buy Coca-Cola. My teenager excitement of doing this and stupidly thinking Coke and the station owner would be thrilled over this innovation almost cost my job! People started flooding the station with calls asking what was wrong with their TV ... the saw the Buy Coca-Cola in RED! Color blind people also called and complained that they were freaked out seeing what they were told was red by non-color blind people, which they had never seen so strongly. During the almost three years I worked there, this was just one of about five times I was almost fired for doing "overly creative science experiments" by they said endangering the stations equipment. A wonder time I must say!
drrobins
Loc: San Francisco East Bay (Walnut Creek)
Red-green color blindness is "X-linked". it is themes common form of color blindness. It is carried on the X gene. Women have X-X, men have X-Y genes.
Women can be carriers of red-green color blindness and not show it since they can have 1 normal X, and 1 affected X. A normal male cases either an X gene or a Y gene to the baby, for female X-X or male X-Y outcom. The mother passes one of her X genes. If the result is male, and gets the abnormal X gene from the mother, they will exhibit the red-green colorblindness. The male gets only the Y from the father, so the father cannot pass the problem to a male child. He can pass his defective X gene, which produce a female child. If the female child gets one defective X from the father and a normal X from the mother, they become carriers and normally are not affected. IF the female child gets the father's defective X, as well as the mother's defective X, that will cause the female to be affected.
Males run about 8% and females 0.5% red-green colorblindness. This however can be a range from total red-green to very slight red-green weakness. Don't know where one of the responders got the information that 1/3 of males are affected.
This is also separate from other less common forms of colorblindness such as deuteranopia and tritanopia.
(And I should know- I am an ophthalmologist (pediatric ophthalmology subspecialty).
Have traveled widelyon many trips to Germany. The Army even amputated my leg there! Still love the country. My daughter and family used to live in Cary, now Morrisville, SAS. Probably too much personal stuff here, sorry if any are annoyed.
Joel Grimes a well known international portrait commercial photographer is color blind and it hasn't stopped him making a mark in photography.
Back in the film days, I knew a very successful photographer who was color blind. I asked him how he was able to produce such vibrant photographs. He said his wife picked all the colors in processing. . . .
Something nobody else has touched on is that for red/green deficiency, red frequently shows up as black. If it's large in your field of vision, i.e., a barn, it will appear red but if it's letters on a page, frequently it will appear as black. When I see red lettering on a black background it makes me want to smack the ignorance out of the person who created the image.
The red component falls out of purple, making it look blue. Red falls out of pink and makes it look more like battleship gray. Red traffic signals are always dim. The term "bright red" is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. On the other hand, compared to my wife who probably has four-color vision, she can't see movement at night. She can't see lightening bolts. Not really sure I would want to give up the ability to see faint movements at night to see red.
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