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Aug 18, 2020 03:01:56   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Nazism had nothing to do with Marxism. Hitler stuck the word "Socialist" into the name of his party, because socialism was popular at the time, and he thought it would help gain followers. None of his policies were particularly socialistic.


If you would only educate yourself

... His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx. ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html?amp

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Aug 18, 2020 08:12:28   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
travelwp wrote:
The Democrat leadership in the inner city has fought socialism:

The Democrat governments, in the inner cities, have rejected the concept of white supremacy by leveling the playing field, with these positive actions:
. providing blacks with excellent schools
. raising their standard of living
. giving blacks a sense of purpose
. teaching them to be responsible for their own actions and not be the victim.
. teaching black women not to have babies out of wedlock
teaching black men to act like real men and help raise their kids
. keeping black males out of jail by defunding police so black males who shoot dead other black males (for example: spilling beer on their new sneakers) will not even be arrested.
. raising black self-esteem so that they can be respected and can function in society like Americans of any skin color.

Because of the recent exemplary leadership of Democrats, I can understand why blacks are rejecting socialism and more and more love living in the inner cities and as a result, why they might vote for Biden and Kamala.
The Democrat leadership in the inner city has foug... (show quote)


May I ask respectfully where this happened? I have seen no evidence of this.

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Aug 18, 2020 10:11:23   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
The link between Nazism and socialism and communist is really quite simple to understand, as long as you disregard the liberal disinformation. ALL socialist (regardless of its name) goverments favor government control of the means of production. That :theme" applies to Nazi, Socialist or communist forms of govenment. And the ONLY way that such a goverment can survive is if is run by a dictator.

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Aug 18, 2020 10:19:36   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
boberic wrote:
The link between Nazism and socialism and communist is really quite simple to understand, as long as you disregard the liberal disinformation. ALL socialist (regardless of its name) goverments favor government control of the means of production. That :theme" applies to Nazi, Socialist or communist forms of govenment. And the ONLY way that such a goverment can survive is if is run by a dictator.


Excellent statement. I wish people would drop the Dem repub aguements and just concentrate on facts. Emotion and such has no place in a discussion of the fate of the country. I believe the two party system is a distraction put in place years ago to keep the commoner occupied while the politicians do as they please. We argue among ourselves while they rape our country. The founders were against it. I never had proof until Trump was elected. The republicans were against him and were completely passive the first 2 years when we could have cleaned house persa.

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Aug 18, 2020 10:42:08   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Excellent statement. I wish people would drop the Dem repub aguements and just concentrate on facts. Emotion and such has no place in a discussion of the fate of the country. I believe the two party system is a distraction put in place years ago to keep the commoner occupied while the politicians do as they please. We argue among ourselves while they rape our country. The founders were against it. I never had proof until Trump was elected. The republicans were against him and were completely passive the first 2 years when we could have cleaned house persa.
Excellent statement. I wish people would drop the ... (show quote)


I agree. The 2 party system allows both partys to be corrupt. A third party has no chance of national office, only as a gaurantee of the election of one of those 2 party candidates. Hence Clinton gets elected as a result of the third party candodate- Perot. The comming election is rare, in that the choice of one vs the other is such a stark difference. A socialist leaning candidate vs a free market candidate. Both have their flaws, but thye overarching differences are quite stark. So disregard the flaws and make a choice as to which way you want to the country to be.

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Aug 18, 2020 10:43:26   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
boberic wrote:
I agree. The 2 party system allows both partys to be corrupt. A third party has no chance of national office, only as a gaurantee of the election of one of those 2 party candidates. Hence Clinton gets elected as a result of the third party candodate- Perot. The comming election is rare, in that the choice of one vs the other is such a stark difference. A socialist leaning candidate vs a free market candidate. Both have their flaws, but thye overarching differences are quite stark. So disregard the flaws and make a choice as to which way you want to the country to be.
I agree. The 2 party system allows both partys to... (show quote)


I'm a stanch constitutionalist. Trump will get my vote. As always lesser of 2 evils but at least I believe he loves America as it was founded.

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Aug 18, 2020 11:10:08   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
I'm a stanch constitutionalist. Trump will get my vote. As always lesser of 2 evils but at least I believe he loves America as it was founded.


That;s just one of the stark differences. Do yoy want a leftist appointing supreme court justice, or a conservvative making that choice. One who regard the constitution as a "flexable" document or a constitutional conservative as a justice. One who favors abbortion at any time or ffor any reason, or one who does not, Take your pick. One who does not appear in public and will not answer unscripted questions or one who does tyhe opposite. Take your pick

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Aug 18, 2020 11:11:09   #
rwoodvira
 
Interesting LWW. I guess you forgot to tell everyone that ThePeoplesCube is a satire site. Per:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-peoples-cube/:

"These sources exclusively use humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. Primarily these sources are clear that they are satire and do not attempt to deceive."

Oleg likes to tweak the left and liberals. Taking the comments as the gospel is foolish.

Example - from the US census, published in 2015 21.3% of the US population was on some sort of public assistance.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html; not half. in 2020 after the COVID its anyone's guess.

On socialism - Hitler hated it. If you find time and research, Goebbels suggested to broadcast it on numerous times and it was shot down by Adolf. You can look up that one yourself.

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Aug 18, 2020 11:58:17   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
boberic wrote:
That;s just one of the stark differences. Do yoy want a leftist appointing supreme court justice, or a conservvative making that choice. One who regard the constitution as a "flexable" document or a constitutional conservative as a justice. One who favors abbortion at any time or ffor any reason, or one who does not, Take your pick. One who does not appear in public and will not answer unscripted questions or one who does tyhe opposite. Take your pick


As you should well know I prefer the conservative approach in all political things. Always have ALWAYS WILL

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Aug 18, 2020 12:54:42   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
rwoodvira wrote:
Interesting LWW. I guess you forgot to tell everyone that ThePeoplesCube is a satire site. Per:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-peoples-cube/:

"These sources exclusively use humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. Primarily these sources are clear that they are satire and do not attempt to deceive."

Oleg likes to tweak the left and liberals. Taking the comments as the gospel is foolish.

Example - from the US census, published in 2015 21.3% of the US population was on some sort of public assistance.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html; not half. in 2020 after the COVID its anyone's guess.

On socialism - Hitler hated it. If you find time and research, Goebbels suggested to broadcast it on numerous times and it was shot down by Adolf. You can look up that one yourself.
Interesting LWW. I guess you forgot to tell everyo... (show quote)


Now read upon the sites owner and learn a little.

Oleg wrote propaganda spin in the Soviet Union and now wickedly uses his skills on leftist talking points.

On HITLER and socialism ... he loved it.

After WWII he even joined the military of the short lived BSR or Bavarian Socialist Republic.

What he disagreed with is that Lenin/Stalin were ‘international socialists’ meaning that they wanted to export socialism by sponsoring revolution around the world.

Hitler was a ‘national socialist’ meaning that he wanted to take a nation with a modern military and force socialism upEurope and Asia and Africa by brute force. His real gripe with the Stalinists and Euro socialists was that they weren’t pushing the agenda hard enough.

Remember that Stalinhad a pact with Hitler to take over Europe but Stalin balked at taking on Africa and China and America and Australia and Canada.

Read a book.

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Aug 18, 2020 12:59:41   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
May I ask respectfully where this happened? I have seen no evidence of this.


It never happened anywhere. I forgot to add a smiley face......

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Aug 18, 2020 13:03:49   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
travelwp wrote:
It never happened anywhere. I forgot to add a smiley face......


Great I forgot some people still have humor lol

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Aug 18, 2020 18:03:40   #
rwoodvira
 
My word LWW you have to get out more. I apologize for the delay in answering you and correcting your errors as I took my lovely wife out for a ride and lunch. Now here are my comments

Satire stretches the truth, one might think you preach it like gospel. I even gave you the number of people on assistance as of 2015. With the COVID plague, I'm sure it's higher now. Good job Donny following those pandemic instructions. A good example of satire is Alex Baldwin's portrayal of Trump on SNL - they are a hoot - they get Biden pretty well too.

You totally blew the idea of the Nazi to socialism. Here's a source for you (I know you like sources):
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Here's a couple of excerpts: "Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.” [Kershaw wrote Hitler: A Biography].

"Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats.

More left-leaning members of the Nazi party were also targeted; Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor followed a strand of Nazism that wanted to remove the elites Hitler courted from power. Gregor was killed along with other pro-worker members during the Night Of the Long Knives. "

I even gave you a hint about Goebbels & Hitler. You can look that one up yourself. You really need to pick up on hints.

I read a lot.

How are you making out researching photography? You know I suggested to you before that this is a photography forum and you could be considered a troll if you don't participate in the other sections besides this and the General Chit-Chat. I'm just trying to help.

Now you have a Super Sparkly Day. My mission here is done.

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Aug 19, 2020 23:22:02   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
rwoodvira wrote:

You totally blew the idea of the Nazi to socialism. My word LWW you have to get out more. I apologize for the delay in answering you and correcting your errors as I took my lovely wife out for a ride and lunch. Now here are my comments

Satire stretches the truth, one might think you preach it like gospel. I even gave you the number of people on assistance as of 2015. With the COVID plague, I'm sure it's higher now. Good job Donny following those pandemic instructions. A good example of satire is Alex Baldwin's portrayal of Trump on SNL - they are a hoot - they get Biden pretty well too.
/My word LWW you have to get out more. I apologize for the delay in answering you and correcting your errors as I took my lovely wife out for a ride and lunch. Now here are my comments

Satire stretches the truth, one might think you preach it like gospel. I even gave you the number of people on assistance as of 2015. With the COVID plague, I'm sure it's higher now. Good job Donny following those pandemic instructions. A good example of satire is Alex Baldwin's portrayal of Trump on SNL - they are a hoot - they get Biden pretty well too.
br You totally blew the idea of the Nazi to socia... (show quote)


You are on way over your head kid, if you want me to source my claims I can ... but your leftist friends no I don’t bluff.

If you insist on embarrassing yourself I will oblige.

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Aug 20, 2020 01:31:46   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
travelwp wrote:
The Democrat leadership in the inner city has fought socialism:

The Democrat governments, in the inner cities, have rejected the concept of white supremacy by leveling the playing field, with these positive actions:
. providing blacks with excellent schools
. raising their standard of living
. giving blacks a sense of purpose
. teaching them to be responsible for their own actions and not be the victim.
. teaching black women not to have babies out of wedlock
teaching black men to act like real men and help raise their kids
. keeping black males out of jail by defunding police so black males who shoot dead other black males (for example: spilling beer on their new sneakers) will not even be arrested.
. raising black self-esteem so that they can be respected and can function in society like Americans of any skin color.

Because of the recent exemplary leadership of Democrats, I can understand why blacks are rejecting socialism and more and more love living in the inner cities and as a result, why they might vote for Biden and Kamala.
The Democrat leadership in the inner city has foug... (show quote)


Do the Democrats think that Blacks in the inner cities are that stupid, that helpless, that lazy, that dysfunctional they need the help of the Progressive Liberal socialist wanna be Marxist Democrats? Or maybe I just misunderstood your post?

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