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Aug 7, 2020 08:01:23   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Gene51 wrote:
color is just about right - light is contrasty, but exposure is good. The shadow areas could use a little opening up. There must have been a great blue sky overhead, with low angle sunlight on the right, so lighting was definitely a little challenging, but overall a very good image from an exposure and post processing point of view.
Thanks Gene. I have to chuckle over your suggestion that the light was challenging: that's my preferred time of day. In fact, I was a little late getting going that day. Contrasts of light and shadow are what I enjoy the most.

"Great blue sky" - I live in a very dry climate

I added a sentence to my previous post to try to stay on topic: While sitting at a computer is obviously not everyone's idea of a good time, editing raw files can be rewarding and fun, and offers more options for personalized results than a camera style setting does.

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Aug 7, 2020 08:04:57   #
gwh1bass
 
Delderby wrote:
With respect to Architects post, there is another way to achieve vibrance etc. Try increasing the saturation and vibrance adjustments in your camera (not forgetting contrast). While adjusting, take a few shots to get a combination which suits your taste, and away you go.


Only for shooting Jpgs.

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Aug 7, 2020 08:09:38   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Too much or just right? All a matter of taste (subject, light and focus at the scene, colors and other tweaks in pp):

Three Amigas, on Flickr.

Not a "big boy" camera:
Olympus E-M10MarkII
OLYMPUS M.Zuiko lens, 75-300mm F4.8-6.7 II

While sitting at a computer is obviously not everyone's idea of a good time, editing raw files can be rewarding and fun, and offers more options for personalized results than a camera "style" setting does.
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Aug 7, 2020 08:28:31   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Delderby wrote:
From what I have read from time to time in this forum, many, perhaps most, do not even try to adjust their cameras, preferring to post process - and why not - it's a most reasonable and interesting pass-time. Even so, most decent cameras have useful adjustment parameters, such as WB, Saturation, Vivid, RBG, BW, Sharpness, HDR, and more. Of course, if the menu structure is difficult to understand and non-intuitive, I can see why so many photographers never get to know their cameras, beyond the exposure triangle.
Successful SOOC is about knowing your camera and using all it's facilities. The RAW pundits have no choice but to rely on PP to sort out any failings. They will also parrot each other to insist that RAW is the only way, which, of course, rules out the need to ever get to know their cameras.
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Del, your comments reminded me I had intended to leave this topic alone after being the first respondent yesterday. Oh well, in for a ten-pence, in for a £ 🤭

Most of us just go about our hobby in the ways that we enjoy most, and don't care whether you shoot in raw or jpg. It's the results that matter.

When viewing other people's photos, do we linger more than a nano-second on a posted photo? Do we wish we'd shot it? Would we like it on our wall? Are we inspired to try similar technique, light, subject? Do we examine the editing, if applicable, for inspiration/questions to ask in order to learn?

Carry on, laddies and ladies!

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Aug 7, 2020 08:43:51   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Del, your comments reminded me I had intended to leave this topic alone after being the first respondent yesterday. Oh well, in for a ten-pence, in for a £ 🤭

Most of us just go about our hobby in the ways that we enjoy most, and don't care whether you shoot in raw or jpg. It's the results that matter.

When viewing other people's photos, do we linger more than a nano-second on a posted photo? Do we wish we'd shot it? Would we like it on our wall? Are we inspired to try similar technique, light, subject? Do we examine the editing, if applicable, for inspiration/questions to ask in order to learn?

Carry on, laddies and ladies!
Del, your comments reminded me I had intended to l... (show quote)



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Aug 7, 2020 09:12:36   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
As they say, photo quality is purely subjective. It’s in the eye of the beholder. A high quality camera is nearly useless in producing high quality photos when it’s in the hands of an inexperienced novice.

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Aug 7, 2020 09:34:58   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Images for the web display better when saved in the Adobe sRGB color space than they do in the Adobe RGB color space.

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Aug 7, 2020 10:07:28   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
"CHG CANON" gave you the answer

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Aug 7, 2020 10:15:05   #
crazycarol
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
In reality, the images you're viewing are processed doing things on a computer that you cannot do within the camera alone, such as carefully adjusting the white balance, adding saturation overall or to specific colors, and 'moving' the black and white points that serve to deepen the richness of the colors and making the whites whiter. This makes the image seen sharper via contrast, as well as using sharpen techniques in the software.

Some things you can do to your JPEGs from an EOS camera (any camera) are:

1. Go into the picture style definition for Standard (pages 135, 95 of your T5i manual)

2. Update Standard for:

Sharpness = 4 (increase by +1 from the default)
Contrast = +1 (increase to the right of 0)
Saturation = +1 (increase to the right of 0)

3. Then, only shoot in 'Standard'.

4. For the P, Av, Tv modes, use +0.7 EC if you perform some editing to your JPEGs before sharing. Use +0.3 EC if you use the files directly from the camera.

5. If not using already, also review these best practices for sharply focused images: How to obtain sharp images in digital photography

When it comes to editing, the current aesthetic is less is more. In reality, it's maybe not so much less work, rather, less obvious work in the result. Shoot for maybe a week at the settings above. Try another week with the sharpness at 5 and saturation at +2 from default. See if you like the results, can detect a difference in the subtle changes.

Your EOS T5i is a superb camera, but it does depend on the lenses you use and your shooting / processing technique. The changes above are things that can all be done in the camera. You can do these things 'free' even before moving onto processing on a computer.
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Question. I have a canon eos 80d, I shoot raw/jpg, if I make these changes does it only change the jpg in camera?

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Aug 7, 2020 10:18:53   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
So many of the photos that are posted are of “EXCEPTIONAL QUALITY”. The colors are so “VIVID”. I’m need to know if it’s the camera that was used or the post processing abilities of the photographer, that create such beautiful photos? I have a Canon T5i camera and am wondering if I am able to achieve the same “QUALITY” (vivid colors/sharpness and contrast) with my camera? Are am I kidding myself?


You use the word "vivid" more than once, so taking that as a reference, the difference in SOOC vividness between your camera and more expensive ones is not pronounced. Cameras that can be described as having better IQ do produce better images but the differences are usually subtle. The vivid differences that you are seeing are due to post processing.

The three main factors that add vividness in PP are contrast, saturation and sharpness. A necessary skill is being able to discern when too much is too much, because those three factors are also the quickest way to an overcooked look. Be willing to experiment and be willing to push the PP, but keep yourself on a tight rein, and before you know it you'll be delighting yourself with dazzling PP'd photos.

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Aug 7, 2020 10:22:15   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
crazycarol wrote:
Question. I have a canon eos 80d, I shoot raw/jpg, if I make these changes does it only change the jpg in camera?


These settings will impact only the JPEG. If you use DPP to process your RAW, these settings would be the 'defaults' if you made no further changes and just processed with the camera / image defaults. These settings do not 'transfer' over to other third-party RAW editors.

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Aug 7, 2020 10:46:41   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
And a good discussion was had by all with some friendly digs. So, Littlebit, you will see that there are ways and means (at your disposal) to skin the rabbit.

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Aug 7, 2020 11:49:38   #
crazycarol
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
These settings will impact only the JPEG. If you use DPP to process your RAW, these settings would be the 'defaults' if you made no further changes and just processed with the camera / image defaults. These settings do not 'transfer' over to other third-party RAW editors.


thank you, I hope some day to get time to do post processing, that is why I shoot both raw and jpeg. So if the changes improve the shots, that is a win for me for now.

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Aug 7, 2020 12:18:23   #
markfrei Loc: Las Vegas NV
 
As stated in a previous post; we all see differently, some need a bit of 'boost' of color and vividness to enjoy the photos. Some prefer it flat. I'm an 'old school' slide film, think Kodachrome guy. I like me images a bit vivid but not too the point they are unnatural. Shoot and process for you, or your client if you are selling you images.

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Aug 7, 2020 13:01:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
R.G. wrote:
You use the word "vivid" more than once, so taking that as a reference, the difference in SOOC vividness between your camera and more expensive ones is not pronounced. Cameras that can be described as having better IQ do produce better images but the differences are usually subtle. The vivid differences that you are seeing are due to post processing.

The three main factors that add vividness in PP are contrast, saturation and sharpness. A necessary skill is being able to discern when too much is too much, because those three factors are also the quickest way to an overcooked look. Be willing to experiment and be willing to push the PP, but keep yourself on a tight rein, and before you know it you'll be delighting yourself with dazzling PP'd photos.
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