Confirmed what I thought! I'm a rare owner of the excellent rare Nikon 1000 f/11 cat. Also have the Nikon 500 f/8, not as high in resolution. And jumped for the chance to buy a rare Nikon 500mm f/5 cat, almost the size of the 1000mm lens.
Need for higher shutter speeds and at least a monopod, if not a tripod for sharper results.
You can improve the image quality of a mirror lens by using a tripod.
Canisdirus wrote:
You are thoroughly confused...they aren't exactly in demand.
They also are not ...expensive...downright cheap in fact.
Which goes along nicely with not being in demand.
Whatever floats your boat...but don't think they are sought out by anyone with serious coin. They aren't.
Far better albeit more expensive alternatives. Far better...
Nikons and Canons are cheap trash. They sell for a few hundred and even less. Beats me why people even discuss them.
Now that paragraph is verrrrrry true if all you know from is old Rebels and low life Nikons. And that is like YOUR limited exposure to mirror lenses. Cheap crap is cheap crap regardless of category.
10% of Hogsters have any experience of what they post ... the rest just parrot stuff. If you’ve never used a fine mirror lens you have no clue. If you’ve got over $1000 to experiment then you can find out ... unless you’re also brainwashed about “bokeh”. That would leave you unhappy with even a Questar.
pecohen wrote:
I've been making occasional visits to a nearby bog, both for the exercise and for photography. I wanted a lens with a bit more reach but preferably not too much bulk and not too expensive. With some doubts I decided to take a chance on an inexpensive 500 mm mirror lens. This morning I took it back to the bog to take some sample pictures, some of which I show below. The captions show my recollection of how far away but they are simply guesses, not measurements and not even the better estimates that with some forethought I could have read off of the lens.
The lens has a fixed aperture of f8 and that gives no control over depth of field (and bokea). The narrow depth of field should be apparent in all of the images below. Focus is pretty critical and is manual only.
With a fixed aperture my usual habit of shooting in aperture priority seemed to make no sense so I shot in shutter priority, but I left ISO as automatic so that the camera had a chance to make adjustments for low light; but the lighting was strong enough so that did not come into play. I'm not sure what would have happened if I'd use aperture priority, however. Perhaps that would be a better choice.
As if one experiment were not enough, I decided to try something else today at the same time. In the past I've used a monopod at the bog, thinking a tripod would slow me down too much. Animals just don't stay still long enough to set up a tripod. But I have a tripod that has one removable leg so you can build a monopod out of it. I've never used it for that, but it occurred to me that I could also take advantage of that to construct a bipod with more stability than would be possible with a monopod. It is also more bulky to carry around but I think the extra stability is worth it.
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I discovered these a while back.
Big bang for the bucks.
Try adding bit of extension. Tubes.
Try it in dim light.
Bill
Canisdirus wrote:
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Nikon? Stopped making them.
Canon? Nope...
Sigma? Stopped making them.
Tamron? Stopped making them.
You better get on the horn and let them all know how brain dead they are...
No need. It’s the brainwashed users who are brain dead ... their brains drowned during brainwashing. Is that you ?
Mirror lenses actually sold well when the Cheerios were supported by the flack press as “fascinating”. Also “fascinating” were the polygon highlights produced by straight iris blades. But marketers always need to invert fashions so as to have something new to sell you as “new and better”. New fashions acoarst pull the rug out from under prior fashions. Money makes the world go round.
User ID wrote:
No need. It’s the brainwashed users who are brain dead ... their brains drowned during brainwashing. Is that you ?
Mirror lenses actually sold well when the Cheerios were supported by the flack press as “fascinating”. Also “fascinating” were the polygon highlights produced by straight iris blades. But marketers always need to invert fashions so as to have something new to sell you as “new and better”. New fashions acoarst pull the rug out from under prior fashions. Money makes the world go round.
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The comparison of cost I talked about was for a 500mm prime...which makes a mirror lens...as I said...downright cheap.
A Questar is ...downright cheap as well in that context. It's also not ideal for photography...not the intended market. Great for looking at stars though...nice and portable.
You don't have to go with a 500mm prime to outperform ANY mirror lens. Any serious big zoom will outperform a mirror lens that is capable of being used for daytime photography.
Finally, you point out that not everyone has deep pockets ... and that is true. Then you throw out the Questar as your example of a good mirror lens...and it is (though not ideal for daytime photography). Ummm...they are NOT a cheap alternative. You have defeated your own argument. I can buy 2 or 3 Sony 200-600mm G lenses for a single Questar.
Mirror lenses are a fine 'niche' lens...but the Sony zoom will beat the daylights out of it.
I happen to own and use 2 mirror Nikkor lenses. They are exceptional. Both work well on both my Nikon F and my digital NIkons.
I have no idea as to what you are bringing a Kellogg's cereal into the discussion, or any other references.
--Bob
User ID wrote:
No need. It’s the brainwashed users who are brain dead ... their brains drowned during brainwashing. Is that you ?
Mirror lenses actually sold well when the Cheerios were supported by the flack press as “fascinating”. Also “fascinating” were the polygon highlights produced by straight iris blades. But marketers always need to invert fashions so as to have something new to sell you as “new and better”. New fashions acoarst pull the rug out from under prior fashions. Money makes the world go round.
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Paul Diamond wrote:
Confirmed what I thought! I'm a rare owner of the excellent rare Nikon 1000 f/11 cat. Also have the Nikon 500 f/8, not as high in resolution. And jumped for the chance to buy a rare Nikon 500mm f/5 cat, almost the size of the 1000mm lens.
Need for higher shutter speeds and at least a monopod, if not a tripod for sharper results.
I have the second of the two 500 f/5.0 Reflex-Nikkor prototypes, Serial #171002, with original case and filters (
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html#Reflex). The grease had hardened from disuse when I bought it some time back, focus is very difficult, and I only took a few shots with it. Need to have it serviced. Image quality is comparable to that of my 500 f/5.6 Kilfitt Sport-Kilar. Surprisingly (to me, at least), there is minimal loss of image quality with the latter’s matched 2X teleconverter.
User ID wrote:
Nikons and Canons are cheap trash. They sell for a few hundred and even less. Beats me why people even discuss them.
Now that paragraph is verrrrrry true if all you know from is old Rebels and low life Nikons. And that is like YOUR limited exposure to mirror lenses. Cheap crap is cheap crap regardless of category.
10% of Hogsters have any experience of what they post ... the rest just parrot stuff. If you’ve never used a fine mirror lens you have no clue. If you’ve got over $1000 to experiment then you can find out ... unless you’re also brainwashed about “bokeh”. That would leave you unhappy with even a Questar.
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User ID, How about not hiding in the bushes and come out for a discussion as a genuine adult. "User ID"???
Really. You spout and mouth off, saying nothing but anger, vitirol and God knows what.
Here's my unsolicited advice - and I'm betting you have already lost this fight in the past..... Go to a mirror in your house or bathroom. Say all the things you said here to the mirror. Look at the expression of the person you see who is saying these things. - Would you want to be in the same room as this person? Would you want to be on the same discussion forum as this person? Would you like to know this person???
Was anything you said here that was helpful or constructive? Can I quote you? "Garbage, trash, brainwashed, brain dead" or close enough. For your sake, please!!!
rmalarz wrote:
I happen to own and use 2 mirror Nikkor lenses. They are exceptional. Both work well on both my Nikon F and my digital NIkons.
I have no idea as to what you are bringing a Kellogg's cereal into the discussion, or any other references.
--Bob
You are quite correct (which you already know). Nikon made great mirror lenses.
Paul Diamond wrote:
User ID, How about not hiding in the bushes and come out for a discussion as a genuine adult. "User ID"???
Really. You spout and mouth off, saying nothing but anger, vitirol and God knows what.
Here's my unsolicited advice - and I'm betting you have already lost this fight in the past..... Go to a mirror in your house or bathroom. Say all the things you said here to the mirror. Look at the expression of the person you see who is saying these things. - Would you want to be in the same room as this person? Would you want to be on the same discussion forum as this person? Would you like to know this person???
Was anything you said here that was helpful or constructive? Can I quote you? "Garbage, trash, brainwashed, brain dead" or close enough. For your sake, please!!!
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I really doubt that you read that post beyond the first two lines. OTOH if you did read the whole analogy I have no clue what your problem is ... nor should I care to find out.
Your happiness is your own responsibility. You find anger and vitriol where there is none. Then you talk of mirrors. You might wanna think about that.
User ID wrote:
I really doubt that you read that post beyond the first two lines. OTOH if you did read the whole analogy I have no clue what your problem is ... nor should I care to find out.
Your happiness is your own responsibility. You find anger and vitriol where there is none. Then you talk of mirrors. You might wanna think about that.
Your happiness is your own responsibility. You find anger and vitriol where there is none. Then you talk of mirrors. You might wanna think about that.[/quote]
Hysterical denial you are in.
Your very first reaction to Paul was to insult him.
RWR wrote:
I have the second of the two 500 f/5.0 Reflex-Nikkor prototypes, Serial #171002, with original case and filters (
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html#Reflex). The grease had hardened from disuse when I bought it some time back, focus is very difficult, and I only took a few shots with it. Need to have it serviced. Image quality is comparable to that of my 500 f/5.6 Kilfitt Sport-Kilar. Surprisingly (to me, at least), there is minimal loss of image quality with the latter’s matched 2X teleconverter.
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Wow! Thanks for the info and the link to your "labor of love". I learned much. And I greatly appreciated the effort and time investment you have given to capturing some of the history as well as valuable information. I will use it to look at the serial numbers of my Nikon lenses. Thank you, again.
This range of contributors and the information is part of what I treasure from participating on UHH.
I was in the photo industry - worked retail in independent camera stores and chain stores during HS/college, graduate from RIT (Rochester, NY), Southeast Region Purchasing Mgr. with Eastman Kodak stores (renamed Treck Photographic), the Product Manager with Charles Beseler (making darkroom hardware and importing chemistry from Germany for 'Color by Beseler' products), the Omega Division COO of Berkey Photo at 26, Rollei USA Marketing Mgr., Osawa, Hindaphoto, and a few more. Left in 1985 for the computer hardware/software solutions business after the experience of computerizing several of my photo manufacturing/distribution companies. (Info just for perspective)
Canisdirus wrote:
Hysterical denial you are in.
Your very first reaction to Paul was to insult him.
Please feel sincerely welcome to show us where that occurs. I did go back to look for it myself.
There’s certainly much contention in this thread and in going back over it I notice that Paul and I tend to agree ... no arguments between us.
User ID wrote:
Please feel sincerely welcome to show us where that occurs. I did go back to look for it myself.
There’s certainly much contention in this thread and in going back over it I notice that Paul and I tend to agree ... no arguments between us.
You: I really doubt that you read that post beyond the first two lines. OTOH if you did read the whole analogy I have no clue what your problem is ... nor should I care to find out.
I guess you are so used to being rude...you no longer see it.
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