Photography Club Problem
Jul 23, 2020 16:55:29 #
got to find the temperature of the water....the model may be happy with just an apology, tho another model may want castration/murder.... find out where you stand,quietly......
Jul 23, 2020 16:55:51 #
I am puzzled by so many specific recommendations, given so very little specific information.
Jul 23, 2020 17:00:38 #
DeanS wrote:
I am puzzled by so many specific recommendations, given so very little specific information.
sexual misconduct doesnt require facts,........
Jul 23, 2020 17:15:20 #
going to a lawyer will prevent the problem from being solved, tho the lawyer ($) may wish to contact the models ($$^2). A member of the board can to that quietly, thereby allowing the possibility that the situation to be quietly closed. again, ya gotta find out the temperature of the water first...... you may not have a problem, or may have one that can be easily solved, by apology or whatever the model (s) require. FIND OUT!
Jul 23, 2020 19:38:40 #
ek2lckd wrote:
sexual misconduct doesnt require facts,........
Hard to believe you posted that comment.
Jul 23, 2020 20:11:16 #
DeanS wrote:
Hard to believe you posted that comment.
Dean, I think he meant, accusations do not require fact, which they go not. Accusations start the fact finding processes.
All it takes is an accusation to Tim your life, before the fact finding processes. You are guilty untill you prove you are not.
Jul 23, 2020 20:23:27 #
frankraney wrote:
Dean, I think he meant, accusations do not require fact, which they go not. Accusations start the fact finding processes.
All it takes is an accusation to Tim your life, before the fact finding processes. You are guilty untill you prove you are not.
All it takes is an accusation to Tim your life, before the fact finding processes. You are guilty untill you prove you are not.
I don’t know exactly what he intended, just that facts are essential. Without facts, acusatupions can never be proven.
Jul 23, 2020 20:28:30 #
DeanS wrote:
I don’t know exactly what he intended, just that facts are essential. Without facts, acusatupions can never be proven.
But a they do not have to be proven to ruin your life.
Jul 23, 2020 21:00:15 #
frankraney wrote:
But a they do not have to be proven to ruin your life.
Your point is frequently proven in today’s toxic environment.
Jul 23, 2020 21:07:26 #
Gallimaufry
Loc: Denver, CO
Dr Rae wrote:
A member of a Photography club has been accused of misconduct and inappropriate behavior by several models. Photography Club leaders are hesitant to act, stating it's not their job to police members' business practices. Club bylaws say members can be removed for misconduct. The argument is it's not the club's board members' place to prove misconduct. This isn't an accusation from one model. It's several with similar takes. Can I get some thoughts on this please?
Dr. Rae, out of curiosity, how are you privy to this information? And I'll be bold, can you give us any more information about exactly what the "misconduct and inappropriate behavior" consists of?
While I agree for the most part with other comments about this, our thinking may be changed by knowing the details I mentioned above.
Jul 23, 2020 21:21:20 #
19dwayne39
Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
Dikdik wrote:
The club has to investigate to determine what is real and what is fantasy. Else the club can be part of the lawsuit if this goes forward. They really have no option... best they talk to a lawyer, now.\
Dik
Dik
The best part of advise here is "talk to a lawyer". They may have some obligation to investigate, OR NOT. A competent attorney with full info can provide the best advice.
Jul 23, 2020 23:24:24 #
Hopefully the BOD board of directors utilized the talent of attorney when the organization was formed...if so, contact him/her...if not, better get one. Do not talk with the models as it becomes he said/she said... in an attorneys office when a deposition is given, stenographers are there , recording every word
Jul 24, 2020 01:00:58 #
If you focus your disciplinary action to the conduct specifically prohibited by the Ugly Hedgehog, you would be legally able to dismiss this person without incident. However, I would also advise the victim(s) to go to the police as well.
Jul 24, 2020 01:20:55 #
RWebb76 wrote:
“Watson, it is a capitol mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.” From A Study In Scarlett by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Quite true, Old Chap.
A favorite.
Bill
Jul 24, 2020 09:42:18 #
sexual misconduct does NOT require facts, it is entirely in the mind of the accuser, if she thinks she has been offended, that is all that is required, assuming that she does not have a hidden adjenda. (like politics, we have seen a lot of that.) But again, before one escalates the situation by calling in lawyers, find out from the accuer (s) the magnitude of the problem ....I know I am kinda anti-lawyer, but remember that a lawyer only makes money with conflict..this situation could be resolved without conflict, but no one knows yet.. FIND OUT! There are many possible solutions which should be explored before the shooting starts...calling in a lawyer unnecessarily escalates the situation..For the club president to approach one of the acusers/offender quietly is kinda like flying a truce flag, calling a lawyer is kinda like wearing a gun....
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