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Jul 17, 2020 12:07:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mwsilvers wrote:
While I completely agree with you in general, the problem for newbies is that they usually do not know their needs yet. And even if they do think they know they may find that their requirements have changed once they dip their toes in the water and see the possibilities.


And the only way they will discover their requirements is to use one (or two) for a while to see if they want more/different capabilities.

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Jul 17, 2020 12:49:17   #
rcarol
 
Gene51 wrote:
Photoshop CC is complete. Raw converters-only do a great job at creating high quality proofs, but fall short of proper photo finishing, and they cannot perform layer and mask based operations - which are the strengths of Photoshop.

Getting PSE is a route many take, because they fear buying (paying for) functionality they may never need (use). That is not a great reason to reject or choose software.

PSE will cost you $70, and you get a very decent photo editor with some raw conversion capability. It cannot be upgraded. When you purchase a new camera or lens, and it is not supported by your current version, you have to purchase the new one, and there is no value attached to the current one - in other words, it is not an upgrade - you just buy a new version.

The concept of "getting it right in the camera" is one of the most overused and least understood terms in photography. What does "getting it right in the camera" actually look like? Does it mean that the image that comes out of the camera is perfect and needs no adjustment? Or does it mean that the camera has recorded what is necessary, with the help of a little post processing, to produce a great image? Or something in between.

You can come very close to the first definition when you have 100% control over the light - as in a studio setting. But if you shoot landscapes, wildlife, botanicals, etc, you often have little control over the light other than choosing the right time of day and avoiding direct sunlight.

With the second definition you have the opportunity to leverage raw accessible dynamic range, which is, by definition, not really available to photographers who are content to accept the in camera jpeg as the final image.

I like that you are looking down the road and trying to choose a path that will allow you explore and grow your editing skills, and explore and better utilize your camera's capabilities.

I have been a Photoshop user since it was first available on the Windows platform - around 1992. I realized back then that since I was not a creative artist, or involved in creating content for websites, or illustration work and other common uses for Photoshop back then, I would not likely use all or even most of it's capabilities. But I did recognize the full suite of tools it contained to be able to allow me have the creative expression I wanted for my images. At the time the competing software packages were Paint Shop Pro, Corel, and Picture Window Pro. I liked that I could customize the Photoshop workspace to my specific needs and workflow, so I settled on Photoshop.

Today I use Photoshop, Lightroom, DXO Photolab 3, Capture One, and On1 - each brings something slightly different to the table, and part of the decision to use one or another comes from having learned them all and understanding where the strengths are, and how one may produce a result that is more to my liking than another.

I would say I use Lightroom 100% of the time for it's catalog and culling/rating/keywording, as well as Photoshop for finishing 100% of the time. My workflow also includes On1 for special effects, DXO Photolab for its excellent perspective correction tools, Prime noise reduction and image enhancement, and its integration with Nik software, which I also use for special effects, Capture One for its very close to finish quality editing (unusual for a raw converter), and how it renders the colors and contrast in Sony camera images.This is what works for me, your mileage can and probably will vary.

Below is my favorite example of gettin it right in the camera, and a typical creative director's markup for a headshot, ready for the retouchers and colorists to execute. What is striking about the headshot is that most photographers would be perfectly OK with the shot as it came out of the camera. Yet there is much work to be done to get it ready for publication, as you can see. By a wide margin, Photoshop and Lightroom are a very complete solution, lacking nothing that one might need to do anything to an image. PSE would be the entry level version.

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Photoshop CC is complete. Raw converters-only do a... (show quote)


RAW processing in PSE is done with Adobe Camera RAW (ACR) and can be upgraded as new cameras become available.

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Jul 17, 2020 12:53:18   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
rcarol wrote:
RAW processing in PSE is done with Adobe Camera RAW (ACR) and can be upgraded as new cameras become available.


But the limit of ACR support/upgrade depends on the PSE version:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html

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Jul 17, 2020 13:00:14   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
rcarol wrote:
RAW processing in PSE is done with Adobe Camera RAW (ACR) and can be upgraded as new cameras become available.


Until it can't ....
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html

And, ACR does nothing about the 8-bit editing for the PSE layer-based tools.

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Jul 17, 2020 13:00:52   #
rcarol
 
TriX wrote:
But the limit of ACR support/upgrade depends on the PSE version:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-compatible-applications.html


True, but to say that PSE cannot be upgraded is a bit misleading as ACR can be upgraded until Adobe decides otherwise. And if you want to extend the life of whatever version of PSE that you own, you can use Adobe's free DNG converter.

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Jul 18, 2020 06:06:13   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
Kmac, look closely at Affinity Photo. Pay once, and it's yours. And updates are free. I believe it still sells for about $49. Begin using it with your intuition, and you'll be working immediately.

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Jul 18, 2020 06:31:47   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I hope so many different opinions have not confused you yet. I will give you my take on this and I will make it simple.

If your images are going to be used for the Web any editing software will do the job to perfection. If you only shoot JPEG files what I have just said also applies here. If you are going to be shooting RAW data and printing proprietary software will allow you to extract all of the goodness in the file for printing accurate colors. I use Nikon Capture NX-D for my Nikon RAW data knowing that if I have to make prints but specially if printing involves skin colors those colors will be reproduced accurately.

If Nikon is what you use View NX is a much simpler program that also offers fantastic results for printing.

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Jul 18, 2020 06:49:36   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
tradio wrote:
To get the most out of your camera, you should be shooting in RAW. All RAW images need some PPing. You may find that Lightroom will cover most of your PP needs and it's fairly easy to pick up on.
I would recommend Lightroom over PS as just a casual shooter.


LR is, I am told, not very good for JPG editing, which is why so many RAW shooters believe that JPGs are to be avoided. Several other programs are much better for JPG, with full facilities (including WB, tone, layers, and sharpen, contrast etc for turning out great JPGs. I accept that DR is better in RAW, but DR is improving in camera.

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Jul 18, 2020 07:59:12   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Delderby wrote:
LR is, I am told, not very good for JPG editing, which is why so many RAW shooters believe that JPGs are to be avoided. Several other programs are much better for JPG, with full facilities (including WB, tone, layers, and sharpen, contrast etc for turning out great JPGs. I accept that DR is better in RAW, but DR is improving in camera.


Nonsense. LR is the leading nondestructive digital editor of all image types (aka excellent), and by definition, JPEG.

The drawback of LR in today's world is that it is available only via Adobe's ongoing software subscription model. I use the software everyday and couldn't be a digital photographer without it. Our OP might be better served by other software given their stated approach to editing.

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Jul 18, 2020 07:59:51   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
I believe Affinity software Is a better product for you then PSE 2020. It’s only $49.99.


professional photographer. I’m looking to upgrade my post-processing abilities. I’m a Nikon shooter, Mac user, and currently use iPhotos and Polarr Pro. I’ve read previous posts which seems to separate the group into Capture One, Lumiar, and Photoshop CC. All of these seem to involve much more program options then someone like me appears to need. As a result, I’m looking at Photoshop Elements 2020. Is this a decent program or is there some critical reason I’m missing that is important for me to reconsider the other options? I try very hard to get it right straight out of the camera the first time so I usually only use post-processing software maybe 100 times a year right now. Maybe with the right program, I would do it more frequently.

Are their critical considerations I am missing? Any suggestions are welcome, I really want to make a well informed decision and figured this group knows far more than I do. Thank you.[/quote]

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Jul 18, 2020 08:01:19   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Free is for me... give this a look and see if it helps you.

https://phlearn.com/playlist/30-days-of-photoshop/

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Jul 18, 2020 08:08:40   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
In most cases, all you have to do is crop, adjust exposure, contrast, and sharpness. Virtually any processing program can do that.

For free -
https://www.darktable.org/
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59324818
https://www.lightstalking.com/how-to-edit-rawtherapee/
https://www.lightstalking.com/free-photography-software/
http://www.techradar.com/news/the-best-free-photo-editor
http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/the-best-photoshop-alternatives-that-are-totally-free-5974500
http://lightzoneproject.org/

Lots of others-
Affinity
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/software-review-affinity-photo-1-5-2
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/affinity-photo-software-review-has-photoshop-met-its-match#d1c5lY5EQ03QoLjh.97
http://www.diyphotography.net/affinity-photo-can-give-adobe-run-money/
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/affinity-photo-1.5,review-4257.html

Others
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-lightroom-alternatives
http://digital-photography-school.com/a-beginners-guide-to-choosing-the-right-post-production-software/
https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/photo-editing
https://www.reviews.com/photo-editing-software/
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-photo-editing-software,review-1972.html
http://www.redmondpie.com/best-adobe-photoshop-alternatives-for-windows-and-mac-list Affinity
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/affinity-photo-software-review-has-photoshop-met-its-match#d1c5lY5EQ03QoLjh.97
http://www.diyphotography.net/affinity-photo-can-give-adobe-run-money/
https://photographypro.com/photo-editing/

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Jul 18, 2020 08:54:32   #
Majik4 Loc: Racine, WI
 
nikon_jon wrote:
Paint shop Pro seems to be treated like the red-headed step child in the online community, but I have used it for over 20 years and love it. It has applications for high dynamic range compilations and will process raw files. I haven't looked at the very latest version, but I would hazard a guess that they have also added application for focus stacking. It is reasonably priced and you can find it on Ebay. I, like you, try to get it right in camera and Paint Shop does everything I want.


I also use Paint Shop Pro and I am very satisfied. Give it a look.

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Jul 18, 2020 08:56:07   #
Majik4 Loc: Racine, WI
 
nikon_jon wrote:
Paint shop Pro seems to be treated like the red-headed step child in the online community, but I have used it for over 20 years and love it. It has applications for high dynamic range compilations and will process raw files. I haven't looked at the very latest version, but I would hazard a guess that they have also added application for focus stacking. It is reasonably priced and you can find it on Ebay. I, like you, try to get it right in camera and Paint Shop does everything I want.

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Jul 18, 2020 09:07:05   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Nonsense. LR is the leading nondestructive digital editor of all image types (aka excellent), and by definition, JPEG.

The drawback of LR in today's world is that it is available only via Adobe's ongoing software subscription model. I use the software everyday and couldn't be a digital photographer without it. Our OP might be better served by other software given their stated approach to editing.


Yes - well I have never ever personally uesd lightroom. As you are an experienced user and pundit I should be grateful if you would answer the following.
After loading a JPG into LR, can you adjust WB? or adjust tone? Can you use layers? Can you straighten horizons? or adjust verticles? Is there a haze filter?
Thanks.

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