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Jul 15, 2020 08:49:41   #
bamfordr Loc: Campbell CA
 
Hamltnblue wrote:
The post is too long for my attention span today.
I did the update and just denied it's request. It pinned to the taskbar. I unpinned it.
It is now in the background just as it was before.


👍 Ditto

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Jul 15, 2020 09:15:18   #
Leo_B Loc: Houston suburb
 
Wow, a major cut and paste that isn't a Trump hate filled screed. Impressive. Do they pay the same for these as the Trump hate posts?

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Jul 15, 2020 10:21:28   #
redlegfrog
 
Kraken wrote:
If I told you that my entire computer screen just got taken over by a new app that I’d never installed or asked for — it just magically appeared on my desktop, my taskbar, and preempted my next website launch — you’d probably tell me to run a virus scanner and stay away from shady websites, no?

But the insanely intrusive app I’m talking about isn’t a piece of ransomware. It’s Microsoft’s new Chromium Edge browser, which the company is now force-feeding users via an automatic update to Windows.

Seriously, when I restarted my Windows 10 desktop this week, an app I’d never asked for:

Immediately launched itself
Tried to convince me to migrate away from Chrome, giving me no discernible way to click away or say no
Pinned itself to my desktop and taskbar
Ignored my previous browser preference by asking me — the next time I launched a website — whether I was sure I wanted to use Chrome instead of Microsoft’s oh-so-humble recommendation.

Did I mention that, as of this update, you can’t uninstall Edge anymore?

It all immediately made me think: what would the antitrust enforcers of the ‘90s, who punished Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, think about this modern abuse of Microsoft’s platform?



But mostly, I’m surprised Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot by stooping so low, using tactics I’ve only ever seen from purveyors of adware, spyware, and ransomware. I installed this copy of Windows with a disk I purchased, by the way. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but I like to think I still own my desktop and get to decide what I put there.

That’s especially true of owners of Windows 7 and Windows 8, I imagine, who are also receiving unwanted gift copies of the new Edge right now:


And I’m not surprised that some angry Windows users are already railing against the fact that this came as part of a forced Windows update, which Microsoft has already had a damn hard time justifying without invading people’s desktops as well. It’s going to be harder to buy the argument that forced updates are necessary for security when they’re pulling double-duty as an intrusive marketing tool.




Heck, we can’t even get Americans to wear life-saving masks in public right now.

Microsoft isn’t trying to hide most of this, by the way: it lays out the so-called “First Run Experience” in this update changelog. So I figured I’d see if the company might say more. Here is a list of questions I sent Microsoft, which the company declined to substantively answer on the record or on the background:

What were the goal and reasoning here?
Why does Microsoft feel that this is appropriate?
Was it a success, and if so, by what metric?
What does Microsoft’s telemetry show users are doing in response to being confronted with Edge pins, desktop icons, auto-launch, and reset default apps?
Would Microsoft do this again?
Will Microsoft stop this now, and/or change anything about this update?
What is Microsoft’s philosophy on dark pattern software design?
The only justifications the company could provide me are that, technically, the new Edge is replacing the old Edge that already comes with Windows 10; Microsoft wants you to use the best, most secure version of its browser; and you can still say no — though in this case, a “no” involves force-closing Edge, reaffirming your default browser choice, and having to spend a minute deleting unwanted junk on your desktop.


Time to reaffirm the browser choice I already made years ago.
Here’s one more question: Microsoft, do you think this behavior makes Windows users actually want to try Edge?

THROWING AWAY POTENTIAL GOODWILL
Because if I’m being honest, after the initial shock wore off, I found Edge easy enough to ignore. The experience mostly just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Before, I had actually been interested in this new Chromium-based version of Edge! I had been planning to check it out. I’ve been toying with Firefox and Opera for weeks now, considering a potential migration away from Chrome.

Now — as a user, not a journalist — I can’t help but feel like I should ignore Edge on principle. And if there is a sizable fraction of users who feel the same, somebody inside Microsoft is facepalming hard right about now.

https://www.theverge.com/21310611/microsoft-edge-browser-forced-update-chromium-editorial

I refused to use it. I don't like someone taking over my computer and forcing a download on me that I

never asked for or want.
If I told you that my entire computer screen just ... (show quote)


If I quoted "We're from the government and we're here to help" Does it have a similar ring?

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Jul 15, 2020 11:23:14   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Kraken wrote:
If I told you that my entire computer screen just got taken over by a new app that I’d never installed or asked for — it just magically appeared on my desktop, my taskbar, and preempted my next website launch — you’d probably tell me to run a virus scanner and stay away from shady websites, no?

But the insanely intrusive app I’m talking about isn’t a piece of ransomware. It’s Microsoft’s new Chromium Edge browser, which the company is now force-feeding users via an automatic update to Windows.

Seriously, when I restarted my Windows 10 desktop this week, an app I’d never asked for:

Immediately launched itself
Tried to convince me to migrate away from Chrome, giving me no discernible way to click away or say no
Pinned itself to my desktop and taskbar
Ignored my previous browser preference by asking me — the next time I launched a website — whether I was sure I wanted to use Chrome instead of Microsoft’s oh-so-humble recommendation.

Did I mention that, as of this update, you can’t uninstall Edge anymore?

It all immediately made me think: what would the antitrust enforcers of the ‘90s, who punished Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, think about this modern abuse of Microsoft’s platform?



But mostly, I’m surprised Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot by stooping so low, using tactics I’ve only ever seen from purveyors of adware, spyware, and ransomware. I installed this copy of Windows with a disk I purchased, by the way. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but I like to think I still own my desktop and get to decide what I put there.

That’s especially true of owners of Windows 7 and Windows 8, I imagine, who are also receiving unwanted gift copies of the new Edge right now:


And I’m not surprised that some angry Windows users are already railing against the fact that this came as part of a forced Windows update, which Microsoft has already had a damn hard time justifying without invading people’s desktops as well. It’s going to be harder to buy the argument that forced updates are necessary for security when they’re pulling double-duty as an intrusive marketing tool.




Heck, we can’t even get Americans to wear life-saving masks in public right now.

Microsoft isn’t trying to hide most of this, by the way: it lays out the so-called “First Run Experience” in this update changelog. So I figured I’d see if the company might say more. Here is a list of questions I sent Microsoft, which the company declined to substantively answer on the record or on the background:

What were the goal and reasoning here?
Why does Microsoft feel that this is appropriate?
Was it a success, and if so, by what metric?
What does Microsoft’s telemetry show users are doing in response to being confronted with Edge pins, desktop icons, auto-launch, and reset default apps?
Would Microsoft do this again?
Will Microsoft stop this now, and/or change anything about this update?
What is Microsoft’s philosophy on dark pattern software design?
The only justifications the company could provide me are that, technically, the new Edge is replacing the old Edge that already comes with Windows 10; Microsoft wants you to use the best, most secure version of its browser; and you can still say no — though in this case, a “no” involves force-closing Edge, reaffirming your default browser choice, and having to spend a minute deleting unwanted junk on your desktop.


Time to reaffirm the browser choice I already made years ago.
Here’s one more question: Microsoft, do you think this behavior makes Windows users actually want to try Edge?

THROWING AWAY POTENTIAL GOODWILL
Because if I’m being honest, after the initial shock wore off, I found Edge easy enough to ignore. The experience mostly just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Before, I had actually been interested in this new Chromium-based version of Edge! I had been planning to check it out. I’ve been toying with Firefox and Opera for weeks now, considering a potential migration away from Chrome.

Now — as a user, not a journalist — I can’t help but feel like I should ignore Edge on principle. And if there is a sizable fraction of users who feel the same, somebody inside Microsoft is facepalming hard right about now.

https://www.theverge.com/21310611/microsoft-edge-browser-forced-update-chromium-editorial

I refused to use it. I don't like someone taking over my computer and forcing a download on me that I

never asked for or want.
If I told you that my entire computer screen just ... (show quote)


I have denyied it 4 times recently but I know that sooner or later Microsoft will shove it down my throat cause that's what they do when you say no to them.......typical B.S. behavior. I feel your frustration all too well. Sorry.

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Jul 15, 2020 11:43:52   #
2Dragons Loc: The Back of Beyond
 
chrissybabe wrote:
I have found the opposite. Firefox is updating on me every few days. Whenever I start it it comes up with 'waiting for updates to install' about every 3 days.
And you may not think that doing nothing with Edge will help. About once a month at startup, at the moment, I get a popup asking me if I want to change or personalize my settings. When I can be bothered I will find out how to get rid of that.


Have used Firefox for years and it updates frequently. Like it much better than other browsers I've used on other people's computers. It is a hog, though, when it comes to usage.

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Jul 15, 2020 11:58:51   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Bayou wrote:
Windows has always had a native web browser, Internet Explorer. It was always terrible and few used it.

Not at all true. At one time “Netscape” dominated, but IE drove it off and dominated, and most used it.

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Jul 15, 2020 12:39:03   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
I went to Add Remove Programs,....and deleted it immediately,...seems to have done the trick.

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Jul 15, 2020 12:39:33   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
Kraken wrote:
If I told you that my entire computer screen just got taken over by a new app that I’d never installed or asked for — it just magically appeared on my desktop, my taskbar, and preempted my next website launch — you’d probably tell me to run a virus scanner and stay away from shady websites, no?

But the insanely intrusive app I’m talking about isn’t a piece of ransomware. It’s Microsoft’s new Chromium Edge browser, which the company is now force-feeding users via an automatic update to Windows.

Seriously, when I restarted my Windows 10 desktop this week, an app I’d never asked for:

Immediately launched itself
Tried to convince me to migrate away from Chrome, giving me no discernible way to click away or say no
Pinned itself to my desktop and taskbar
Ignored my previous browser preference by asking me — the next time I launched a website — whether I was sure I wanted to use Chrome instead of Microsoft’s oh-so-humble recommendation.

Did I mention that, as of this update, you can’t uninstall Edge anymore?

It all immediately made me think: what would the antitrust enforcers of the ‘90s, who punished Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, think about this modern abuse of Microsoft’s platform?



But mostly, I’m surprised Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot by stooping so low, using tactics I’ve only ever seen from purveyors of adware, spyware, and ransomware. I installed this copy of Windows with a disk I purchased, by the way. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but I like to think I still own my desktop and get to decide what I put there.

That’s especially true of owners of Windows 7 and Windows 8, I imagine, who are also receiving unwanted gift copies of the new Edge right now:


And I’m not surprised that some angry Windows users are already railing against the fact that this came as part of a forced Windows update, which Microsoft has already had a damn hard time justifying without invading people’s desktops as well. It’s going to be harder to buy the argument that forced updates are necessary for security when they’re pulling double-duty as an intrusive marketing tool.




Heck, we can’t even get Americans to wear life-saving masks in public right now.

Microsoft isn’t trying to hide most of this, by the way: it lays out the so-called “First Run Experience” in this update changelog. So I figured I’d see if the company might say more. Here is a list of questions I sent Microsoft, which the company declined to substantively answer on the record or on the background:

What were the goal and reasoning here?
Why does Microsoft feel that this is appropriate?
Was it a success, and if so, by what metric?
What does Microsoft’s telemetry show users are doing in response to being confronted with Edge pins, desktop icons, auto-launch, and reset default apps?
Would Microsoft do this again?
Will Microsoft stop this now, and/or change anything about this update?
What is Microsoft’s philosophy on dark pattern software design?
The only justifications the company could provide me are that, technically, the new Edge is replacing the old Edge that already comes with Windows 10; Microsoft wants you to use the best, most secure version of its browser; and you can still say no — though in this case, a “no” involves force-closing Edge, reaffirming your default browser choice, and having to spend a minute deleting unwanted junk on your desktop.


Time to reaffirm the browser choice I already made years ago.
Here’s one more question: Microsoft, do you think this behavior makes Windows users actually want to try Edge?

THROWING AWAY POTENTIAL GOODWILL
Because if I’m being honest, after the initial shock wore off, I found Edge easy enough to ignore. The experience mostly just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Before, I had actually been interested in this new Chromium-based version of Edge! I had been planning to check it out. I’ve been toying with Firefox and Opera for weeks now, considering a potential migration away from Chrome.

Now — as a user, not a journalist — I can’t help but feel like I should ignore Edge on principle. And if there is a sizable fraction of users who feel the same, somebody inside Microsoft is facepalming hard right about now.

https://www.theverge.com/21310611/microsoft-edge-browser-forced-update-chromium-editorial

I refused to use it. I don't like someone taking over my computer and forcing a download on me that I

never asked for or want.
If I told you that my entire computer screen just ... (show quote)


Download "Revo uninstaller" the free version. It removed Edge from my PC..........Mike

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Jul 15, 2020 13:53:27   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
sab2101 wrote:
Download "Revo uninstaller" the free version. It removed Edge from my PC..........Mike


Thanks Mike, I'll try it.

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Jul 15, 2020 14:07:31   #
sab2101 Loc: Henderson Nv.
 
Works for you I hope it works for you

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Jul 15, 2020 14:31:35   #
Bob Locher Loc: Southwest Oregon
 
I use the new Chromium based Edge and I really like it.
I am sympathetic to resisting software forced upon me, but you don't have to actually use it. And it is nowhere as bad as people like Adobe who "give" you a "protection" program that is guaranteed to slow your computer down when you update their crappy programs unless you are VERY vigilant.

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Jul 15, 2020 15:03:36   #
ILFarmer
 
I had Windows 7 and took it in and had Windows 10 installed. I had some trouble with it and got a man to come out and look at it. He told me it was a big mistake to upgrade. I thought I had to. He said 10 will work, but my computer was made for Windows 7.
He was really impressed with my computer, but it just doesn't work as well as it used to. I wish I had not upgraded.

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Jul 15, 2020 15:11:06   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Hope you feel better now. Just unpin it from the taskbar, delete the desktop shortcut and get on with life.

Ed

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Jul 15, 2020 16:09:42   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
ILFarmer wrote:
I had Windows 7 and took it in and had Windows 10 installed. I had some trouble with it and got a man to come out and look at it. He told me it was a big mistake to upgrade. I thought I had to. He said 10 will work, but my computer was made for Windows 7.
He was really impressed with my computer, but it just doesn't work as well as it used to. I wish I had not upgraded.


My old Dell laptop was originally Windows 7 and I had no problem downloading Windows 10. I am no

techie but I managed to download and set it up myself.

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Jul 15, 2020 17:24:03   #
rayclay Loc: Arab, AL., USA
 
I have to use Google for some photos never for searching. I have had Edge at Microsoft's insistence but never used it. I have and have used Bing only after
deleting Edge. No problem to get rid of and Microsoft did an upgrade last night and no Edge.

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