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Jul 8, 2020 13:58:35   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
jerryc41 wrote:
This is somewhat controversial, but you might want to consider a Kenko 1.4 teleconverter. That will make your 300 mm the equivalent of 450 mm for minimal cost. If you don't like the results, return it.

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=kenko+1.4+tc&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Thanks I looked into this and it certainly a possibility.

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Jul 8, 2020 14:00:51   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I got my 200-500 from MPB in “like new” condition for under 1k. I also traded my old version Tamron 150-600 in on it. I think I was something like $514 out of pocket. It’s a great lens.


Thanks for this source. I looked at the site put them on the list of possibles.

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Jul 8, 2020 14:02:34   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
Rineal wrote:
If you just want a bit more reach why not get the Nikon 1.4 Teleconverter? Otherwise, the 200 - 500 is a great lens - I use it a lot, often with the 1.4 for more reach. (You never really have enough...)


Thanks, seems I have a few choices to consider I might have to make a spread sheet.

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Jul 8, 2020 14:04:06   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
imagemeister wrote:
Sigma and Tamron both have 100-400's for about $650 - I lean towards the Tamron.
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Thanks! Another confirmation of some of my research.

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Jul 8, 2020 14:06:49   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
juan_uy wrote:
I have no experience with them, but may be you can find a used Nikon 200-500 or Tamron/Sigma 150-600 for under 1K.


Thanks.

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Jul 8, 2020 14:06:58   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Steve V wrote:
Thanks, I like this idea and look them up. None in stock now but it’s a consideration.


Bad timing. When I got mine from MPB a few months back they had several in stock, as did KEH. Now it looks like nobody has them. And no refurbs at Nikon.

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Jul 8, 2020 14:11:05   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Bad timing. When I got mine from MPB a few months back they had several in stock, as did KEH. Now it looks like nobody has them. And no refurbs at Nikon.


Adorama has ONE in Excellent Minus condition for $959

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Jul 8, 2020 14:11:49   #
BryGuy Loc: Buckeye, AZ
 
Steve V wrote:
Thanks, I like this idea and look them up. None in stock now but it’s a consideration.


Amazon had the Sigma in stock now. https://www.amazon.com/Sigma-150-600mm-Contemporary-Cameras-Advanced/dp/B00WUUT3Z6/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=sigma+150-600+nikon&qid=1594231838&sr=8-6

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Jul 8, 2020 15:19:01   #
dugeeeeeee
 
You can have them notify you when they get stock in. Was blown away by the customer service. Got three calls from them. One when I first placed my order to thank me. One after it arrived to make sure it got here ok. They are out of Memphis got to me overnight. And one later to check I was happy.

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Jul 9, 2020 06:52:27   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Steve V wrote:
Just a hobbyist here. I own a D750 and like to shoot any wildlife I come across. I have been using a 70-300 4.5 but would like to get a little closer on my walk and stalks. I want to stay under 1K for a lens, well under if I can. New, used, prime, zoom I am thinking about is all so I thought I would throw it out there see what comes back. Not to technical here so keep it simple. Thanks in advance for any replies.


A good wildlife lens for well under a $1000.00 could prove to be difficult, we would all like that. Many, many, many folks here will offer third party glass to you at a very attractive price.
I will offer you a lens worthy of your FF D750.
New is nice because Nikon lenses come with a 5 year warranty. The 200-500 is priced at $1400.00, well above your budget, but it will be on sale again for less, about $200.00 over your max. budget.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Nikon%20AF-S%20NIKKOR%20200-500mm%20f%2F5.6E%20ED%20VR%20Lens&sts=pi&pim=Y
Refurbished will cost a little less, Nikon refurbished lenses are on sale about every two months, but you will only get a max. of a 90 day warranty, some photo companies will offer a one year on refurbished and sometimes on used equipment, but sometimes at a cost.
You can also get a used 200-500 on ebay sometimes at a good price, but no warranty comes with it, if you do buy off ebay or used, make sure it is a US Nikon, gray market Nikon's cannot be serviced by Nikon in the US. But there are camera repair shops that will repair a used gray market Nikon lens.
The following is a good example from ebay, $1100.00, mint in the box, USA version, BUT, it will come with no warranty. But, you can apply for ebay credit and pay up to 24 months with no interest, so for $49.00 a month for 24 months you can own this mint 200-500 5.6 lens.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-Nikkor-200-500mm-200-500-f-5-6E-5-6-f5-6-AF-S-E-ED-VR-SHARP-USA-Model/264789809913?epid=99711246&hash=item3da6b3daf9:g:Dy4AAOSwTCBfBjPy
Why am I pushing this lens on you, because it is really good, really, really a good value for the price.
Below is an example of how sharp it is.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.





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Jul 9, 2020 07:07:59   #
ClarkJohnson Loc: Fort Myers, FL and Cohasset, MA
 
You will ALWAYS need more reach. In addition to budget, your decision criteria should include a) how much weight you are willing to carry and/or b) will you be using a tripod, and c) how much zoom range you need (i.e., will this be your only lens)? Decisions on these should help narrow your choices.

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Jul 9, 2020 07:21:04   #
DAN Phillips Loc: Graysville, GA
 
I too have the D750 and keep a Sigma 150-600 contemporary on it all the time. It does a wonderful job!

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Jul 9, 2020 08:17:20   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
Strodav wrote:
I've been through the whole 3rd party glass scenerio for birding and wildlife and my recommendation is to stay with Nikon glass (unless you want to get into tuning), but another option to consider is buying a used aps-c body like a D500 or D7500 which will give you a 1.5x boost in reach and stay with your current 70-300mm f4.5 along with a 1.4x teleconverter. That gives you 300mm x 1.5 x 1.4 = 630mm f/6.3 and boost your fps as well.


Thanks, a different body is not an option I was thinking about but...

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Jul 9, 2020 08:20:06   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
Gene51 wrote:
The 70-300 F4.5 is 5.6 at 300mm. This F5.6 lens with a 1.4 TC will be F8 at 300mm, making the focus performance challenging at best, and you can just about forget about using it in poor light (early/late in the day, under the forest canopy, etc). The D750 has only 15 cross-type sensors which can work with a lens with a max aperture of F8.

A 300mm lens will be 420mm, regardless of sensor size. Cropping will simulate longer "reach" whether you do it in/with the camera. Getting a crop sensor camera will put more pixels on the subject, but the larger pixels on the D750 will provide better sharpness and light-gathering capability. Uncropped images taken with a D500 will not look as good as cropped images taken with the D750. I did a similar comparison with a D500 and a D810, and the D810 won each time.

A third party lens is not automatically a candidate for fine tuning. in fact, third party lenses often perform on par and in some cases even better than the OEM lenses. I chose a Sigma Sport, which I purchase used in 2016 for $1100, over a brand new Nikon 200-500 after borrowing 2 copies on separate occasions from Nikon's NPS program. The Sigma was noticably sharper, even though I fine-tuned the Nikons. I am not saying the Nikon lens it bad. I am saying that the Sigma was simply and visibly sharper.

Case in point, the shots below were taken with a Sigma 100-300 or a 150-600, straight out of the box - no fine tuning, and all are moderately to heavily cropped:

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The 70-300 F4.5 is 5.6 at 300mm. This F5.6 lens w... (show quote)


Ok thanks for your detailed reply. Great shots too! I will put the used Signa down as an option. I like the idea of going to 500mm.

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Jul 9, 2020 08:37:51   #
Steve V Loc: New Jersey
 
Strodav wrote:
I started birding with a Tamron 150-600mm f/5-6.3 G2 on a D7200. I was not getting good results beyond 400mm so after "talking" to Customer Service I sent the camera and G2 to Tamron where they found no problems with either and they came back no better than they went out. I thought I had wasted my money on the G2. After a lot of research, I learned how to tune using Tamron's Tap-in and with a lot of time and effort I started getting good results with the G2 even at 600mm (which is not really 600mm, it's more like 550mm).

Along they way I picked up a used D500 and found I did not need to re-tune the G2 to the new body, they worked just fine together and still do today. I picked up a Nikon D200-500mm f5.6 and found the Tamron and Nikon had similar IQ in the center, but the Nikon was sharper towards the edges and much sharper in the corners compared to the G2. The Nikon focuses much faster than the G2 at longer focal lengths, probably the difference between f/5.6 and f/6.3. I can also use a 1.4x teleconverter with the Nikon, which takes me to 280-700mm f/8 (420-1050mm f/8 on an aps-c body), and the AF on the D500 (and now my D850) work fine at f/8 as long as I use the center of the frame (BBF really helps here), but AF is slower at f/8. I go to manual focus under lower light conditions.

So, my recommendation is to stay with Nikon glass for these longer focal length zooms. With that said, I am getting very good results with Tamron's shorter zooms, especially the 24-70mm f/2.8 G2, 70-200mm f/2.8 G2 (rarely comes off my D850) and their 35mm and 85mm f/1.8 primes.
I started birding with a Tamron 150-600mm f/5-6.3 ... (show quote)


Thanks for the good info. All three brands Nikon Sigma and Tameron have their supporters. I will have to let everybody know which way I go.

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