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Jul 2, 2020 19:50:01   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Uh, no, they aren’t facts, they are current as of the end of June. Please don’t purposefully mislead by pretending cumulative data are “old facts” as that is intellectually weak.

Here’s some very recent days for you, State, Date, Cases, Deaths....
Fla, 7/1, 6583, 45
NJ, 7/1, 3432, 389
Tx, 7/1, 8076, 57
Az, 7/1, 4877, 88
Ca, 6/29/ 6367, 44 (I could not find 7/1 for Cali)

Yes, many states have large percentage increase in cases, are testing the shit out of their states. As you can see, Fla, Tx, Az, and Cali are WELL BEHIND NJ in deaths and, by the way, death rates.


Let’s go further, though, shall we....the updated death rates per 100,000 include.....
NJ. 169
NY. 165
Conn 121
Mass. 117
RI. 90
D.C. 78
These are the top 6 death rates in the U.S., in order.

Now, then stars you seem to fixate on....
Az. 23 (20th of all states)
Fla. 16 (25th of all states)
Tx. 8 (42nd of all states)

Now, simply put, these states were SO MUCH BETTER OFF then those eastern coastal states that they have a long way to go to catch up, and it’s clear that NJ, as an example, is still screwed. Also, it’s clear that the east coast death marches by the Democrat governors was a prime cause of these horrible numbers that did skew the entire country, and I will point out that Tx and Fla, in particular, did a great job early on of NOT creating such death marches by actually following the science and data by PROTECTING these most vulnerable groups.

Also note that versus NY both Tx and Fla Have more people and the percent of those over 60 (ie vulnerable) are higher in both Fla and Az, and about the same or slightly lower in Tx.

Having said all of that, I do believe the COVID team is doing the right thing in following the changes by city and county and in having CDC teams in every state. However, when getting all political or panicky over percent changes one does need to be aware of the base from which those percentages are derived.

I also believe that as in all experiments, it’s necessary to test change, measure it, and respond accordingly.

To close, the large proportion of new cases in Tx, Fla, and Az appear to be younger people, and those are the ones protesting, rioting, going to bars and drinking until the early mornings, and not wearing masks.
Uh, no, they aren’t facts, they are current as of ... (show quote)

Recent data shows that Texas and Florida have followed almost exactly the same paths - paths which look like the “East Coast” several months ago.

You can argue your ‘facts’ all you want to, but you cannot disprove real truth. Large urban areas tend to elect ‘blue’ mayors. That is just the way it is. ‘Red’ leadership tends to be slower to reduce human decision-making, but sooner or later they arrive in the same area, so it is a mistake to make assumptions.

In Indiana, our ‘red’ governor encouraged, but did not insist on, use of masks when he ‘shut down’ the state in mid-March. At that time, a reporter from my county asked whether a county could require them, and he was told “yes”. At the time, our ‘blue county’ had the fifth number of cases in the state, and it did require their use indoors. The next county to the East is a ‘red’ county, and having maybe half as many cases, made no requirement. Today, our county is still fifth in the state with 1857 cases, but that ‘red’ county now is third in the state with 3133 cases, and yesterday they made mask usage mandatory indoors. Both counties got to the same place even though one is a ‘blue’ county with a population of about 266K and the latter is a ‘red’ county with a population of about 200K.

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Jul 2, 2020 19:55:20   #
Najataagihe
 
David Martin wrote:
Yes, for actions that affect only the individual.

Noncompliance with mask-wearing and with social distancing raises the risk for others.

It constitutes a decision not just for you alone.

Is it your right to endanger others?

YES! <~ hereby labeled as a sarcastic answer to nonsense

If you really feel that way, sell your car (wrecks), stop killing babies (abortion-for-convenience), grow your own food (trucks have to drive that stuff to you and they get in wrecks, not to mention the crap spewed into the air and the fuel costs) and stop eating meat (talk about endangering others, I mean, deer and cows are "others", too).

Positive actions you can take: stand in a cave (no damage to others from artificial housing (construction accidents, unsafe surfaces, etc.)) and DON'T MOVE! (you might step on a bug and bugs are "others", too)


In all seriousness, as I have been saying, each individual has to do his or her own risk analysis and act accordingly but, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE THAT ACTION TO OTHERS!!!


You have NO right to personal protection from others.

That has been upheld in court after court.

You DO have the right to protect yourself.


I do and I would be surprised if you didn't.

The trick is to figure out how to protect yourself from others, in spite of them.


I think it is ironic that the very things that have caused folks to fear me in the past are today recommended for walking down the street and through a store.

I now wear a mask and carry a firearm with those same folks' full blessing.

It's a different "mask", an N100 respirator instead of full MOPP-4 protective gear with an M17 gas mask and a .45 pistol, instead of an M-16 rifle, but the concept is the same.


Yes, I have a Stetson (instead of ballistic headgear), but I don't wear it all the time.

Clayton Moore, eat your heart out, wherever you are!



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Jul 2, 2020 20:14:49   #
oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon
 
Najataagihe wrote:
YES! <~ hereby labeled as a sarcastic answer to nonsense

If you really feel that way, sell your car (wrecks), stop killing babies (abortion-for-convenience), grow your own food (trucks have to drive that stuff to you and they get in wrecks, not to mention the crap spewed into the air and the fuel costs) and stop eating meat (talk about endangering others, I mean, deer and cows are "others", too).

Positive actions you can take: stand in a cave (no damage to others from artificial housing (construction accidents, unsafe surfaces, etc.)) and DON'T MOVE! (you might step on a bug and bugs are "others", too)


In all seriousness, as I have been saying, each individual has to do his or her own risk analysis and act accordingly but, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE THAT ACTION TO OTHERS!!!


You have NO right to personal protection from others.

That has been upheld in court after court.

You DO have the right to protect yourself.
YES! <~ hereby labeled as a sarcastic answer to... (show quote)


A requirement to wear masks to reduce the risk for everyone is no different than setting speed limits for streets and highways or requiring everyone to stop at red lights and stop signs to serve the same purpose. Why treat one differently from the other? If we all wear masks for a long enough period, there will be fewer infections and deaths. Why is that not worth the inconvenience? Frank

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Jul 2, 2020 21:23:31   #
Starman441 Loc: Iguana Land, Fl.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
If it is an issue to you then stay in your basement.
Did you stay home every time the flu or other virus you mentioned flared up?
Did you wear a mask every time?
Those getting sick now I saw on the news are still only the fat, diabetic, old with weak immune systems or some other severe problem and they are barely alive anyway.
Why are these people out in public anyway?
I see more geezers at Walmart and about at all other venues than any other demographic.
What the hell are they doing out on the street, stay home in your basement.
If you are fat, diabetic or otherwise in ill health STAY HOME IN YOUR BASEMENT and t]let the rest of us have normal lives.
Why should your sick ass dictate to a majority of Americans how to suffer.
Yes we might catch the Chinese flu and then we will recover just like any other flu.
I have many friends who had it, got a runny nose and then it was gone. DID NOT DIE.
If it is an issue to you then stay in your basemen... (show quote)


In your own words: "Why should your sick ass dictate to a majority of Americans how to suffer." So ... I'll ask the same question.

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Jul 2, 2020 21:27:28   #
Starman441 Loc: Iguana Land, Fl.
 
oregonfrank wrote:
A requirement to wear masks to reduce the risk for everyone is no different than setting speed limits for streets and highways or requiring everyone to stop at red lights and stop signs to serve the same purpose. Why treat one differently from the other? If we all wear masks for a long enough period, there will be fewer infections and deaths. Why is that not worth the inconvenience? Frank


It's such a small price to pay, especially considering the risks involved. I 'Don't leave home without it".

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Jul 3, 2020 00:39:34   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
rplain1 wrote:
If you want to get a point across to people, try not insulting your readers in the title.


I don't think the OP's title is insulting. Do you feel spoken to? Maybe it was not meant for people like you but only those behaving recklessly in spite of the real danger this virus poses. Some have expressed outright defiance of sensible guidelines on TV. Those are the ones with "Thick Skulls". . . .

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Jul 3, 2020 14:44:55   #
steve82009 Loc: Cheyenne, WY/Cochise, AZ
 
Nothing insulting about a statement of fact!!!!!!!!! Too many people are walking around without wearing masks; the simplest thing we can do to protect others. My mask protects you from me.

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Jul 3, 2020 14:52:54   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
rehess wrote:
Recent data shows that Texas and Florida have followed almost exactly the same paths - paths which look like the “East Coast” several months ago.

You can argue your ‘facts’ all you want to, but you cannot disprove real truth. Large urban areas tend to elect ‘blue’ mayors. That is just the way it is. ‘Red’ leadership tends to be slower to reduce human decision-making, but sooner or later they arrive in the same area, so it is a mistake to make assumptions.

In Indiana, our ‘red’ governor encouraged, but did not insist on, use of masks when he ‘shut down’ the state in mid-March. At that time, a reporter from my county asked whether a county could require them, and he was told “yes”. At the time, our ‘blue county’ had the fifth number of cases in the state, and it did require their use indoors. The next county to the East is a ‘red’ county, and having maybe half as many cases, made no requirement. Today, our county is still fifth in the state with 1857 cases, but that ‘red’ county now is third in the state with 3133 cases, and yesterday they made mask usage mandatory indoors. Both counties got to the same place even though one is a ‘blue’ county with a population of about 266K and the latter is a ‘red’ county with a population of about 200K.
Recent data shows that Texas and Florida have foll... (show quote)



Sorry you aren’t capable of reading actual data and facts and prefer to use emotion to “predict” the future. Given the conflicting info and alleged “facts” that came from the “experts”, it’s no wonder people are suspicious of them. Just look at the social distancing directions.....WHO says 3 feet, CDC says 6 feet.

I will still take the Tx and Fla cumulative results over the East coast states...... the Cuomo/Murphy death marches were not only tragedies, they were ethical nightmares.

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Jul 3, 2020 15:28:56   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Sorry you aren’t capable of reading actual data and facts and prefer to use emotion to “predict” the future. Given the conflicting info and alleged “facts” that came from the “experts”, it’s no wonder people are suspicious of them. Just look at the social distancing directions.....WHO says 3 feet, CDC says 6 feet.

I will still take the Tx and Fla cumulative results over the East coast states...... the Cuomo/Murphy death marches were not only tragedies, they were ethical nightmares.

This is based on actual data.

Given their current trends, your states Texas and Florida are in trouble, as even the Governors see, and as the Houston hospital now says.

You may choose to act any way you feel - I will continue to keep six feet away and wear a mask as our Governor recommends.

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Jul 4, 2020 12:49:09   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
rehess wrote:
This is based on actual data.

Given their current trends, your states Texas and Florida are in trouble, as even the Governors see, and as the Houston hospital now says.

You may choose to act any way you feel - I will continue to keep six feet away and wear a mask as our Governor recommends.


Let's be clear..... Again!

I've been social distancing and masking all along, and was wearing nitrile gloves into June (i still use them to gas the car).

My choice.

I watch TX closely, Fla less so. Yes, cases are increasing.... As expected. As I've already said it's positive test rates, ventilators, and deaths that are the imperative data for me. The hospitals have owned up for all services so don't be fooled into thinking they are full of COVID patients (yet).

There is a LONG, LONG way to go before anyone catches up to the East Coast states, and a big difference will always be the Cuomo/Murphy death marches into the long term care facilities..... They failed at their basic chore by not only not protecting the most vulnerable, they prescribed death's

Stay healthy!

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Jul 4, 2020 12:55:12   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Let's be clear..... Again!

I've been social distancing and masking all along, and was wearing nitrile gloves into June (i still use them to gas the car).

My choice.

I watch TX closely, Fla less so. Yes, cases are increasing.... As expected. As I've already said it's positive test rates, ventilators, and deaths that are the imperative data for me. The hospitals have owned up for all services so don't be fooled into thinking they are full of COVID patients (yet).

There is a LONG, LONG way to go before anyone catches up to the East Coast states, and a big difference will always be the Cuomo/Murphy death marches into the long term care facilities..... They failed at their basic chore by not only not protecting the most vulnerable, they prescribed death's

Stay healthy!
Let's be clear..... Again! br br I've been social... (show quote)

They were learning as they went.
Texas had the benefit of that learning, and yet so many did not learn anything.

Stay healthy!

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Jul 4, 2020 18:55:11   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Architect1776 wrote:

Did you stay home every time the flu or other virus you mentioned flared up?


I wanted to, but my mother made me go to school anyway!

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Jul 20, 2020 22:41:41   #
omar
 
There is this fallacy about our immune system that it needs 'building up'. Generally, your immune system works exactly how it is supposed to- when a germ enters your body, your body's defenses immediately go to work, and what you see are the signs of your immune system at work- nasal secretions, fever, aches and pains, skin rash, and so on. In the case of the corona virus, an overactive immune system can present some problems by overreacting, creating some of the pulmonary problems we see, and that is why the dexamethasone works.

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