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oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon

Thanks.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Actually.....no!

The fed response was actually pretty damn quick... we declared a national emergency less than 46 hours after WHO called the pandemic. If you recall, in 2009 it took closer to four months to declare a national emergency after WHO called the pandemic.

My stats are cumulative, not skewed, and as I’ve already stated increases in cases are meaningless, and percentages are even less meaningful, unless you understand the base numbers. As I’ve started several times It’s positive test rates, ventilators, and deaths per 100,000!

By the way. Tx and Fla were open for quite awhile before the recent spike (think protests and riots along with the bars and indoor a/c). They are still DWARFED by the East coast, which is skewed by the Democrat Governor death marches into the long term care facilities.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

....and you prove again that you’re a partisan hack member of the <69 IQ Club.

Step away from TDS, your fascist progressive masters, and get a brain.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

No....you’re a partisan political hack with a severe case of TDS! Everything you post has political points and Implications to it, and you’re too dull to recognize it in your own posts due to that same TDS.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Hospitalization rates are useless! The hospitals have started up elective and other surgeries, which drives it up.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

See, you can’t have a respectful discussion without name calling, and that is why you’ll never convince anyone of your position. Want respect or consideration of your position, give respect and consideration. If not, you can rant and act out like an angry child and get exactly the lack of respect you deserve.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Yes, all data is useless, as is all science and medical fact. Only angry and uninformed opinion is the answer... Since this has degenerated into stupidity and name calling by attic dwellers, I’m outta here - better things to do than argue with fools - wasted too much time already

CWGordon

Cykdelic: if only people could understand what you are trying to say...

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Actually not. These are old facts. Current infections are what matters today.

Looking at recent infections, FL and TX are very similar to each other and exponentially increasing. In both states, recent cases DWARF “East Coast” cases. Hospitals feel ‘under siege’ in FL and TX, and now NY controls entry from these states instead of the reverse.

Glenn Harve

Over 90% of scientific theories were eventually proven wrong. Should you still have such unquestioning "belief" in scientists? Do you honestly think science is not a "belief system" after what you wrote? Be careful on your misplaced fickle faith.
Science is no less fallable than men are when dealing with it as if its "a belief system". Just on covid alone there has been an avalanche of disagreement and un-truths, daily. But to the left science is a political tool more than possible truths. If a "scientist" or doctor is labelled as the source it must be true, and anyone who doubts the scientific opinion of the day is immediately labelled as whatever label of the day the left is using to demonize. Even if there is widespread disagreement among those "scientists" and "doctors", they ignore any science that fails their political agenda test.
Ever been to a scientific or doctors convention? Its a mass of disagreements searching for agreements. Ever get more than one "doctors opinion"? Why? Dont trust them? Then do you just average out possible errors if your childs is at stake? Or do you use "faith" in just one, because only one is going to do the operation? Throw a dart? Is that science?

The left thinks unborn babies are not humans, and have no rights. That is the so-called science of the left. Common sense is also a source of truth.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

I have no interest in convincing anyone of any position....my main goal is to provide actual, accurate data, and to call folks like yourself on the carpet when you’re just being a political hack.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

The only angry persons are folks like you turning it all political then thinking you’re fooling anyone by ending a post with some version of “this shouldn’t be polítical”.

Let me refresh your memory..... in response to a post “Cookie223 wrote:
The hardest hit cities, and states are under Democratic control, so I took a wild guess!“

You posted the following:
“You mean like Texas, Florida and Arizona?” For you to think this wasn’t political because you’re so holier than thou is joke as your response was clearly political! Where was Cali, NJ, etc in your response? I understand you were responding to a political post, but do t pretend to not be political when you respond like that.

In fact, you later posted....
“The point is that this shouldn’t be politicized in any way - pro Democrat OR Republican (there’s plenty of blame and pain to go around to everyone) - it’s a MEDICAL issue, and my response to you was to point that out after you tried to make it one.”

These are why I pointed out you were a hypocrite and a partisan hack.






I think I pointed out where you were lying, a called you a hypocrite for it, and I called you a political hack. You’ve called me names and implied them. Don’t be so sanctimonious,

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

If you can’t understand the simple data I have to question your intelligence...... the “stuff” isn’t that complex once you ignore your confirmation bias.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Uh, no, they aren’t facts, they are current as of the end of June. Please don’t purposefully mislead by pretending cumulative data are “old facts” as that is intellectually weak.

Here’s some very recent days for you, State, Date, Cases, Deaths....
Fla, 7/1, 6583, 45
NJ, 7/1, 3432, 389
Tx, 7/1, 8076, 57
Az, 7/1, 4877, 88
Ca, 6/29/ 6367, 44 (I could not find 7/1 for Cali)

Yes, many states have large percentage increase in cases, are testing the shit out of their states. As you can see, Fla, Tx, Az, and Cali are WELL BEHIND NJ in deaths and, by the way, death rates.


Let’s go further, though, shall we....the updated death rates per 100,000 include.....
NJ. 169
NY. 165
Conn 121
Mass. 117
RI. 90
D.C. 78
These are the top 6 death rates in the U.S., in order.

Now, then stars you seem to fixate on....
Az. 23 (20th of all states)
Fla. 16 (25th of all states)
Tx. 8 (42nd of all states)

Now, simply put, these states were SO MUCH BETTER OFF then those eastern coastal states that they have a long way to go to catch up, and it’s clear that NJ, as an example, is still screwed. Also, it’s clear that the east coast death marches by the Democrat governors was a prime cause of these horrible numbers that did skew the entire country, and I will point out that Tx and Fla, in particular, did a great job early on of NOT creating such death marches by actually following the science and data by PROTECTING these most vulnerable groups.

Also note that versus NY both Tx and Fla Have more people and the percent of those over 60 (ie vulnerable) are higher in both Fla and Az, and about the same or slightly lower in Tx.

Having said all of that, I do believe the COVID team is doing the right thing in following the changes by city and county and in having CDC teams in every state. However, when getting all political or panicky over percent changes one does need to be aware of the base from which those percentages are derived.

I also believe that as in all experiments, it’s necessary to test change, measure it, and respond accordingly.

To close, the large proportion of new cases in Tx, Fla, and Az appear to be younger people, and those are the ones protesting, rioting, going to bars and drinking until the early mornings, and not wearing masks.