Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia

"As Much", you may want to consult someone who can help you find out what that means.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

They also increased the size of the Department by around 50%.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Fired upon?. That’s too late kitty.
Law enforcement lives matter.

Dannj

Completely re-designing the season police force is a huge undertaking. I’m not familiar with all that Camden did, but I think increasing the size of the department was “part of” the re-inventing as opposed to “also”. Possibly semantics, but from what I’ve read it’s working.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Yes, that is exactly what happened, they fired the City Police Force and rehired it into the county sheriff's office and inso doing they busted the union and lessoned the expenses to the city for policing, the force actually increased its budgets.

Liberals are lying about Camden, it is also worth noting that its crime rate is still about 8 times higher than the rest of the state.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/16/no-camden-new-jersey-didnt-defund-the-police-it-increased-them/

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

Dennis, excellent common sense post. Unfortunately common sense is not always common. We all know why there is a push at this time to change and defund the police force across the nation and that is to pander to those that may go to the polls and vote for their party across the ballot.

Local police are local issues, not national issues. It starts with the Mayors of the communities and ends with the governors of those states. Regardless of what Federal Laws are passed, police officers are hired on the local level and the State Police are hired on a state level and it is that simple.

I'm in the midwest and what I want of a police officer on the east or west coast, north or south states is of no relevance whatsoever. What I CAN DO however is go to my city council meetings and jump up and down and yell about the police here should I have issues with them (which I do not in any way).

These activists should be very careful for what they ask for the police force may end up being nationalized and all one needs to do is to look at the TSA for a preview of what that would look like and we all know that firing a federal government employee is nearly impossible regardless of performance, attitude and behavior.

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

Uhhhhh....one problem with that. The "fired upon" may be the only shot that gets fired (unless it is the bad guys shooting in Chicago that shot 100 people and only killed 14...not a good ratio for a sportsman).

So..perhaps it would be unless they perceive that the bad guy is reaching for his weapon.

It would be so nice to go back to the Old West where the Sheriff and the bad guy stand in the street staring at each other as to who is going to draw first and ultimately who is the fastest and who is the better shot as well.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I hate all unions for just that very reason. But let's then get rid of all unions in America. Every union, not just the police or teachers unions share the same rotten attitude of protecting those who do not do the job properly.

But I have been in on getting rid of bad cops and bad correctional officers. It took doing things the proper way, documented warnings, documented meetings with a supervisor to ensure the employee knew what he was doing was wrong and then training where necessary to show the proper way of doing things. After that it was no problem to fire the employee.

I have personally seen where a black employee who was supposed to be working in a drug store would go into the warehouse and fall asleep after lunch. After numerous warnings he was terminated as he should have been. Months later the union was able to regain his job and all back pay even though he had not worked at all. Now if that sounds fair to anybody I am willing to hear your argument.

Dennis

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Truly idiotic, profoundly idiotic.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Well said also my friend. I agree there should not be any Federal regulations regarding police agencies. Each city, county, state hires the police officers that should receive somewhat similar training. But there is already the POST, Peace Officers Standards and Training, board that offers training certificates when an officer reaches a certain level in their career. I know I am not stating that properly but it has been a long time since I received my POST certificates.

But let's back up here a minute. The reality of it is there is nothing wrong with our police officers across America. There are problems with specific officers for whom the responsibility of being a LEO is too much for them. I have seen a few officers like that who are unable to handle the weight of the badge on their chest. Those officers need to be weeded out before they can do any damage. But this talk of retraining police officers to deal with blacks is nothing but BS. Many officers are black. Other officers are already receiving training in dealing with ALL types of people. Why blacks are somehow separated into a separate entity in America is beyond me. Why their needs are held up as different and separate from the needs of other races is still a mystery to me.

Dennis

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

What is not being recognized is that slavery brought to this country many hard working slaves, not unlawful at the time, that contributed to the future generation of free Black Men and Women who as American Citizens live in the freest nation in the world.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

A great point. I suspect the newly freed slaves of 150 years ago would look upon some of the blacks these days and think to themselves, I thought Mr. Lincoln gave us our freedom. What is holding these people back?

Dennis

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I’m not claiming you are wrong, but I am a bit skeptical. What is your basis for calling us the freest nation in the world?

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Well, having a crime rate of 47 per one thousand residents, Camden has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.

I would say their re-invention has been anything but successful except possibly only when saying they went from horribly abysmal to abysmal.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

princess I honestly cannot believe that any American could even utter those words. But then I remember you are a Liberal and I realize you don't have a clue as to what freedoms Americans have. Having never served in the military you also haven't a clue that our military has guaranteed those freedoms not only for Americans but for other countries as well.

Our Constitution gives us guaranteed rights that other nations do not have. Freedom of speech, Freedom of assembly, Freedom of the press, Freedom of religion just to name a few freedoms Americans have that citizens of other countries do not have is only a start. I can't think of another country that offers the freedom to keep and bear firearms, not for hunting and sport shooting but in the event that our government starts to act as if it is going to take away our rights. Our own Constitution grants the right to go against that abusive government with arms to keep our rights.

All people in other countries are not allowed to vote as Americans are. Our military has helped spread that right to other countries in the Middle East.

While I am not surprised it would appear you honestly have no clue as to what is going on in America. You take these rights for granted and you seem to have no problem with the Liberal Democrats taking those rights away from citizens. Shame on you.

Dennis