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Jun 24, 2020 06:00:15   #
Arend Loc: Holland
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Wham, who gave you the power to have the final say in this matter of utmost importance to our lives? And where do I apply for membership? 😁


It is the power of Philosophy 😀
“Imagine all the people.......”

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Jun 24, 2020 06:24:47   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
wham121736 wrote:
Most sources define a photo as the product of a camera. A picture may include a photo but also a drawing, painting etc. An image can include all these plus what you see in a mirror or simply a figment of your imagination or memory. Let the dead horse sleep in peace.


Thanks to all that responded to this post, Linda from Maine, CHG_CANON, and especially E.L. Shapiro. I REALLY Need some humor in my life, even if it is photographic humor. A very serious subject with me, grin. E.L. I once had a friend from N.Y. that lived on "Thoity-Tree and a Thoid Street". Thanks again for the memories of a friend long past. At least no horses were harmed during my memory recollections. And, to all of my UHH friends, where ever you are,
Smile,
JimmyT Sends
Bravo Zulu

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Jun 24, 2020 06:32:29   #
SonyBug
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
There as another running thread on this kind of etymology- it attracted many posts but I decided not to participate in that one. I'll play with this one.

So- I am a professional photographer- been at it for over 50 years. I only mention this because when I started out in the business back in Brooklyn, New York, there was a photo-slang or jargon mostly used by pro-photographers among their colleagues and cohorts. My first job was in a portrait and wedding studio. The lexicon was "plain talk" and some specialized slang terms. We called our products PICTURES- wedding pictures, or PORTRAITS- everyone including the customers could understand those terms. Wedding pictures were also called "CANDIDS". PROOFS and CONTACTS were the unfinished and unretouched pictures used for the customers to make their selections. As a rookie, I started off as an assistant called a "LIGHTMAN" which was the first step in training to be a "CANDID MAN" there were "PORTRAIT MEN" and DARKROOM MEN"- Simple stuff- everybody got it! Oh, LIGHTMEN or LIGHT LADIES and now LIHTHTIG TECHNICIANS! A promotion of title or rank without promotion of paygrade! A PRINTER was a skilled darkroom operator, now it's a machine that also scanners and does faxes!

Why keep things simple when they can be complex or "fancy". SO..."Pictures" became low-class- they are PHOTOGRAPHS! We don't TAKE PICTURES we PHOTOGRAPH people and we certainly don't SHOOT them. " Wedding Candids" became "CASUALS" as opposed to "FORMALS" but "FORMALS" are too stiff so they became "ROMANTIC CASUALS" and"PRECIOUS MEMORIES"! Then all of that became too mushy so now it's all PHOTOJOURNALISM, just like wars, traffic accidents, riots, and football games!

No more PORTRAITS? Head and shoulders and closeup portraits are no called HEADSHOTS- borrowed from modeling and theatrical agency jargon. We no longer do "BUSINESS PORTRAITS" that became "CORPORATE PORTRAITURE". No more "PUBLICITY PORTRAITS for actors or "GLOSSIES"- you get a CD, A STICK" or an Email!

An itinerant baby photographer who works kinda door-to-door in the cleits' homes were called "KIDNAPPERS"(very low-class) now the are environmental child specialists.

The salesperson who showed folks their proofs and pressured them into buying more and bigger pictures were called "PROFF-PASSERS" Now the are "PHOTOGRAPHIC CONSULTANTS". No more PROOFS- the became "PREVIEWS" and finally (give me a break) "DEBUTE IMAGES". Now they are "THUMBNAILS"- why not TOENAILS!

BANNED WORDS: CLASSIFIED AS VULGAR: Snapshot, snaps, developing (became processing), "SNAPPING PICTURES" is pure blasphemy!

Speaking of THUMBNAILS, enter the digital era of photography and most of the aforementioned has been flushed away! Much of the current photography buzzwords are stolen form the motion picture production industry. The DARKROOM is dead along with all those darkroom men and women! No more developing, retouching, and printing- it's all POST- PRODUCTION, and POST-PROCESSING and EDITING.

It was more fun in the good old days. The developer solution was called SOUP! We work SOUP the film, and soup the prints. Fixer was called HYPO! We were asked to PULL PROOFS OR PULL A PRINT!

I'll never forget the time when a new photographer was hired by my first boss. A lady came in to inquire about having here child photographed. The new guy said, "we'll shoot your kid, grab lotas poses, soup he film, pull some proofs, the proof-passer will show them to ya, and we'll retouch the diaper rash and pull some fine prints- if you like we can color them in"! The boss fired him!

I guess the terms IMAGES is differentiated from PHOTOGRAPHS so that the purists can separate REAL UNADULTERATED PHOTOGRAPHS from GOD FORBID, electronically/digitally processed or manipulated photographs! Then everyone can sit around and argue that all photographs are digitally processed within the internal circuitry of the camera- wasting time instead of going out and shootin' some good PICTURES!

Used to be we asked clients to put down a deposit to secure our services for an event or when placing an order for prints. Nowadsat some "photographers" call that an "INVESTMENT"- the ain't buying a share of your business!

As I stated earlier, I like STRAIGHT TALK as much as I HATE USELESS EUPHISIAMS, hyperbole, and language based on snobbism.

Funny story: Last year I received an assignment for the National Art Museum here in my city- to precisely photograph a traveling collection of masterpiece paintings some of with were extremely rare and priceless oil paintings by some of the Dutch and Flemish Masters along with some contemporary works. High security and all that. I was warmly greeted by the curator who introduced himself and said "Let's go int the exhibition hall and I'll show you the PICTURE I need you to shoot"! PICTURES!!!

I hope this helps answer your question!

I'm a photographer and I make pictures and as Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "call me and my pictures whatever you want- just don't call me late for dinner"!

Oh- Back in Brooklyn, my elocution was rather poor- kinda like Sly Stallone in Rockey I- I dropped my "Rs" so I called the pictures "-Pitchez" I have improved slightly since,
There as another running thread on this kind of et... (show quote)


Darn, that's what I was going to say, you got to it first!

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Jun 24, 2020 07:45:12   #
goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
There as another running thread on this kind of etymology- it attracted many posts but I decided not to participate in that one. I'll play with this one.

So- I am a professional photographer- been at it for over 50 years. I only mention this because when I started out in the business back in Brooklyn, New York, there was a photo-slang or jargon mostly used by pro-photographers among their colleagues and cohorts. My first job was in a portrait and wedding studio. The lexicon was "plain talk" and some specialized slang terms. We called our products PICTURES- wedding pictures, or PORTRAITS- everyone including the customers could understand those terms. Wedding pictures were also called "CANDIDS". PROOFS and CONTACTS were the unfinished and unretouched pictures used for the customers to make their selections. As a rookie, I started off as an assistant called a "LIGHTMAN" which was the first step in training to be a "CANDID MAN" there were "PORTRAIT MEN" and DARKROOM MEN"- Simple stuff- everybody got it! Oh, LIGHTMEN or LIGHT LADIES and now LIHTHTIG TECHNICIANS! A promotion of title or rank without promotion of paygrade! A PRINTER was a skilled darkroom operator, now it's a machine that also scanners and does faxes!

Why keep things simple when they can be complex or "fancy". SO..."Pictures" became low-class- they are PHOTOGRAPHS! We don't TAKE PICTURES we PHOTOGRAPH people and we certainly don't SHOOT them. " Wedding Candids" became "CASUALS" as opposed to "FORMALS" but "FORMALS" are too stiff so they became "ROMANTIC CASUALS" and"PRECIOUS MEMORIES"! Then all of that became too mushy so now it's all PHOTOJOURNALISM, just like wars, traffic accidents, riots, and football games!

No more PORTRAITS? Head and shoulders and closeup portraits are no called HEADSHOTS- borrowed from modeling and theatrical agency jargon. We no longer do "BUSINESS PORTRAITS" that became "CORPORATE PORTRAITURE". No more "PUBLICITY PORTRAITS for actors or "GLOSSIES"- you get a CD, A STICK" or an Email!

An itinerant baby photographer who works kinda door-to-door in the cleits' homes were called "KIDNAPPERS"(very low-class) now the are environmental child specialists.

The salesperson who showed folks their proofs and pressured them into buying more and bigger pictures were called "PROFF-PASSERS" Now the are "PHOTOGRAPHIC CONSULTANTS". No more PROOFS- the became "PREVIEWS" and finally (give me a break) "DEBUTE IMAGES". Now they are "THUMBNAILS"- why not TOENAILS!

BANNED WORDS: CLASSIFIED AS VULGAR: Snapshot, snaps, developing (became processing), "SNAPPING PICTURES" is pure blasphemy!

Speaking of THUMBNAILS, enter the digital era of photography and most of the aforementioned has been flushed away! Much of the current photography buzzwords are stolen form the motion picture production industry. The DARKROOM is dead along with all those darkroom men and women! No more developing, retouching, and printing- it's all POST- PRODUCTION, and POST-PROCESSING and EDITING.

It was more fun in the good old days. The developer solution was called SOUP! We work SOUP the film, and soup the prints. Fixer was called HYPO! We were asked to PULL PROOFS OR PULL A PRINT!

I'll never forget the time when a new photographer was hired by my first boss. A lady came in to inquire about having here child photographed. The new guy said, "we'll shoot your kid, grab lotas poses, soup he film, pull some proofs, the proof-passer will show them to ya, and we'll retouch the diaper rash and pull some fine prints- if you like we can color them in"! The boss fired him!

I guess the terms IMAGES is differentiated from PHOTOGRAPHS so that the purists can separate REAL UNADULTERATED PHOTOGRAPHS from GOD FORBID, electronically/digitally processed or manipulated photographs! Then everyone can sit around and argue that all photographs are digitally processed within the internal circuitry of the camera- wasting time instead of going out and shootin' some good PICTURES!

Used to be we asked clients to put down a deposit to secure our services for an event or when placing an order for prints. Nowadsat some "photographers" call that an "INVESTMENT"- the ain't buying a share of your business!

As I stated earlier, I like STRAIGHT TALK as much as I HATE USELESS EUPHISIAMS, hyperbole, and language based on snobbism.

Funny story: Last year I received an assignment for the National Art Museum here in my city- to precisely photograph a traveling collection of masterpiece paintings some of with were extremely rare and priceless oil paintings by some of the Dutch and Flemish Masters along with some contemporary works. High security and all that. I was warmly greeted by the curator who introduced himself and said "Let's go int the exhibition hall and I'll show you the PICTURE I need you to shoot"! PICTURES!!!

I hope this helps answer your question!

I'm a photographer and I make pictures and as Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "call me and my pictures whatever you want- just don't call me late for dinner"!

Oh- Back in Brooklyn, my elocution was rather poor- kinda like Sly Stallone in Rockey I- I dropped my "Rs" so I called the pictures "-Pitchez" I have improved slightly since,
There as another running thread on this kind of et... (show quote)


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Very eloquently said.... Wonderful words of wisdom for sure

NAILED IT !!! E. L. Shapiro

My question is,,, , why cannot people just look at the dictionary and you see the listed definition of any given term.... instead of imposing their own philosophy about what they think it should mean.


Cheers
GeoVz
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Jun 24, 2020 08:01:42   #
wham121736 Loc: Long Island, New York
 
As you know, there is never a final word on the hog. What I expressed is what I have read attempting to clarify matters.
Linda From Maine wrote:
Wham, who gave you the power to have the final say in this matter of utmost importance to our lives? And where do I apply for membership? 😁

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Jun 24, 2020 08:03:21   #
wham121736 Loc: Long Island, New York
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Imagine your life as if you were a successful photographer. Are you taking photos or making images?


Taking photos to make into great images.

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Jun 24, 2020 08:16:19   #
User ID
 
wham121736 wrote:
Most sources define a photo as the product of a camera. A picture may include a photo but also a drawing, painting etc. An image can include all these plus what you see in a mirror or simply a figment of your imagination or memory. Let the dead horse sleep in peace.


Your last sentence is contradictory to the fact that you began this thread.

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Jun 24, 2020 08:20:08   #
User ID
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Define success.


Success defines itself.

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Jun 24, 2020 08:21:14   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you can't find a way to be successful in photography, find an excuse.

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Jun 24, 2020 08:33:20   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
I take snapshots.

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Jun 24, 2020 08:39:17   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
This is not about photography. It is about language. These common English words are very much alive along with their use in various dialects. At a time when install has become a noun, distance is now a verb, and today's full frame is yesterday's compact, are we even close to any final word?

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Jun 24, 2020 08:54:07   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
johngault007 wrote:
Then why resurrect the horse?



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Jun 24, 2020 09:11:12   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
"Do I round up or round down if I have a 16 mp camera?"


You add 14 !!!

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Jun 24, 2020 09:15:47   #
Nancysc
 
Love this!

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Jun 24, 2020 09:22:14   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Imagine your life as if you were a successful photographer. Are you taking photos or making images?


Images are what the eye sees. You can capture an image with a camera. You can produce a picture on a backing, of photographic paper or canvas, or even on the side of a building. This can be done with paint, in ink cartridges or a paint bucket.
Success is dependant on how many ppl would like to have it.
You don’t always make the image. Mostly they’re out there for the seeing, or capturing.

IMHO. FWIW.

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