Canon 5D mark IV, thinking about purchasing?
Jun 22, 2020 14:26:12 #
Tommg wrote:
Thanks for the "blunt" reply I'd rather get the blunt information, it is a lot more useful. I assume the Tamaron 150 - 600 will not attach to the 5DIV either? I really like that lens for the reach it offers. Thanks again
Wrong! Your Tamron lenses will fit your new 5D Mark IV. But, as said before, the Canon EF-S lenses will NOT. Keep in mind you will be using a full frame camera, and full frame lenses, and use the crop factor, since there is no crop involved. Also, keep in mind you can use any of the Canon EF L lenses on your 5D MIV. You'll see the difference in your first shot.
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Jun 22, 2020 14:54:22 #
Tommg wrote:
Not a matter of being unwilling, it's just that the new camera and all the new glass is just too expensive right now. Seriously thing about the 7DII, a few more pixels than the 7D, excellent focus capabilities, a bit better noise capability. Not sure about the 90D what happens when they fit 32 mp on a crop sensor ... noise get worse? - probably. Love to move up to the 5DIV but not going to happen at this time too much $$ Thanks again for all your help, very much appreciated!
Take a look at this DR chart and plug in the 7D, 7D2 and 90D and look at the low light performance in the tabulation at the bottom as well. In terms of DR, the 7D and 7D2 are almost identical, while the 90D is about a stop better at low ISOs, but all three are very close after ISO 250. In terms of noise the 7D2 and 90D are almost identical and both are about 3/4 of a stop better than the 7D which is a good improvement, allowing you to almost double the ISO or shutter speed, or an extra stop in aperture for equivalent noise, and that isn’t trivial.
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm
Once you’re past the DR and noise it’s AF, features, ruggedness and resolution. While I love the solid construction of the 7D2, the dual card slots and the high performance AF, it’s hard to ignore the extra resolution, connectivity, extra focus points at F8, etc. of the 90D. Here’s a link you may find useful: https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-90D-vs-Canon-EOS-7D-Mark-II
Jun 22, 2020 15:10:24 #
I believe the Tamron should mount. I have used the Tamron 150-600 G2 on my Canon 6D MKII, which is also FF and EF mount only.
Jun 22, 2020 15:16:05 #
PHRubin wrote:
Have you considered the 90?. You will get more than 30MP, newer technology and can use ALL your current lenses.
Typo - that should be 90D
Jun 22, 2020 16:40:28 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're going to give up the 'reach' of the 1.6 crop factor. If you haven't handled a FF body yet, consider renting for along weekend / week and make sure this is the better direction than maybe the 90D mentioned earlier.
There is no "reach" involved all you have to do is crop the 5DMk4 to i.6 and you will have the same image. Just remember you can always get closer by cropping, but can never get further away.
Jun 22, 2020 17:13:43 #
Malco wrote:
There is no "reach" involved all you have to do is crop the 5DMk4 to i.6 and you will have the same image. Just remember you can always get closer by cropping, but can never get further away.
Crop by 1.6 and you throw away 61% if the pixels! NOT the same!
Jun 22, 2020 18:32:14 #
Tommg wrote:
Thanks for the "blunt" reply I'd rather get the blunt information, it is a lot more useful. I assume the Tamaron 150 - 600 will not attach to the 5DIV either? I really like that lens for the reach it offers. Thanks again
The 150-600 will work.
Jun 22, 2020 19:50:47 #
PHRubin wrote:
Crop by 1.6 and you throw away 61% if the pixels! NOT the same!
Don't want to get into a pixel war, but most of the professional digital cameras have less pixels than consumer cameras and there are many reasons for that. One being too many pixels crowded together actually degrade the image. Pixel count is a selling point 40 mega pixels is not always better than 20. that all depends on the size of the chip
Jun 22, 2020 19:57:23 #
Malco wrote:
Don't want to get into a pixel war, but most of the professional digital cameras have less pixels than consumer cameras and there are many reasons for that. One being too many pixels crowded together actually degrade the image. Pixel count is a selling point 40 mega pixels is not always better than 20. that all depends on the size of the chip
So you're saying the EOS 5DIV isn't a professional camera at 30MP? Or the Nikon D850 at 45MP?
The white paper for the EOS 1DXIII explained (paraphrased) that the 20MP ish size is intended for uncropped images to be used in 2-page magazine-sized prints. Of course that camera can be used for larger work and cropped as needed, but to assume the technical characteristics of only the $6000 models are the sole definition of 'professional' is a misunderstanding of the camera market.
Jun 22, 2020 20:04:10 #
I Have a Canon 1DsIII and a 5D IV, My wife shoots weddings with a 7D
I process all her files. The 7D was a superb camera, its sensor is clearly showing its age because it is noisy above iso 800, or any time you don't give it full exposure, its pixel density results in some breath taking detail and beautiful skin tones. It was built like a tank and she has almost 200k clicks--- and she doesn't want a new camera. she mostly uses it with the 70-200 2.8 L. The 5DIV is a really wonderful camera with some of the best Dynamic Range Canon has produced. Every time she uses one of my cameras, she misses the reach she is used to. I tend to shoot wide, Full Frame Helps. So you should be sure that you really want FF. Someone suggested renting, I agree with that. The lenses you use are more important than the camera, don't buy FF only to skimp on lenses. Go back and analyze your favorite pictures, then figure out what your focal length preference is. If it's really long, a Crop sensor suits you better.
Find a barely used 7D Mk II and get away cheap. Or look at the 90D Or rent those and see what you think.
Good luck
I process all her files. The 7D was a superb camera, its sensor is clearly showing its age because it is noisy above iso 800, or any time you don't give it full exposure, its pixel density results in some breath taking detail and beautiful skin tones. It was built like a tank and she has almost 200k clicks--- and she doesn't want a new camera. she mostly uses it with the 70-200 2.8 L. The 5DIV is a really wonderful camera with some of the best Dynamic Range Canon has produced. Every time she uses one of my cameras, she misses the reach she is used to. I tend to shoot wide, Full Frame Helps. So you should be sure that you really want FF. Someone suggested renting, I agree with that. The lenses you use are more important than the camera, don't buy FF only to skimp on lenses. Go back and analyze your favorite pictures, then figure out what your focal length preference is. If it's really long, a Crop sensor suits you better.
Find a barely used 7D Mk II and get away cheap. Or look at the 90D Or rent those and see what you think.
Good luck
Jun 22, 2020 21:26:45 #
I cannot comment on either the 90D or the 7D-II as I have never used either. My current unit is a 5D-IV, with prior units being the ids-III, 5D (original), and 10D (eons ago!).
I have owned my Canon 5D-IV for several years now, and absolutely LOVE it. I've never had as much fun, nor learned as much, as I have with the 5D-IV.
Having said that... If I were in your shoes, I would probably delay any decision for 30-60 days. My reasoning for this suggestion: It is anticipated that Canon will announce and begin shipping the new 5R & 6R bodies in that time frame (30-60 days). When this happens, the price of the 5D-IV will likely come down a bit as attention shifts to the new & shiny models. Camera stores will want less $$$ tied up in inventory for the older models, so they will likely try to bring their inventory of 5D-IV's down by offering sales/discounts to make room for the new units. I would also anticipate the migration from 5D-IV owners to the new 5R, meaning that there would be more used 5D-IV's available for sale. More inventory in either category (new or used) generally result is lower prices and greater selection.
I also have a suggestion regarding your current 7D and lenses: Unless you are strapped for cash, I recommend keeping these items for a while. In addition to the comfort factor you have built up over the years of using your current equipment, they also might be needed as a backup unit if there is a problem with the new camera.
In my case, my 5D-IV, several lenses, and a bunch of accessories were stolen while on vacation in Las Vegas. I reported the serial numbers when reporting the break-in, and the camera & primary lens were recovered from a pawn shop approximately one week after the theft. This was GREAT news, until the prosecutor decided they needed to keep my equipment in the evidence vault for over one year for use at trial.
If I had not kept my 1ds-III, I would have been without a camera for that year. It took a little while to get used to the older unit, but it was still fully functional, (mostly) familiar, and a quick temporary solution to my need for a replacement unit. Just a thought.
(The 5D-IV is finally back, and it's been fun getting re-familiarized with it and all the options I missed!).
Good luck in your decision!
I have owned my Canon 5D-IV for several years now, and absolutely LOVE it. I've never had as much fun, nor learned as much, as I have with the 5D-IV.
Having said that... If I were in your shoes, I would probably delay any decision for 30-60 days. My reasoning for this suggestion: It is anticipated that Canon will announce and begin shipping the new 5R & 6R bodies in that time frame (30-60 days). When this happens, the price of the 5D-IV will likely come down a bit as attention shifts to the new & shiny models. Camera stores will want less $$$ tied up in inventory for the older models, so they will likely try to bring their inventory of 5D-IV's down by offering sales/discounts to make room for the new units. I would also anticipate the migration from 5D-IV owners to the new 5R, meaning that there would be more used 5D-IV's available for sale. More inventory in either category (new or used) generally result is lower prices and greater selection.
I also have a suggestion regarding your current 7D and lenses: Unless you are strapped for cash, I recommend keeping these items for a while. In addition to the comfort factor you have built up over the years of using your current equipment, they also might be needed as a backup unit if there is a problem with the new camera.
In my case, my 5D-IV, several lenses, and a bunch of accessories were stolen while on vacation in Las Vegas. I reported the serial numbers when reporting the break-in, and the camera & primary lens were recovered from a pawn shop approximately one week after the theft. This was GREAT news, until the prosecutor decided they needed to keep my equipment in the evidence vault for over one year for use at trial.
If I had not kept my 1ds-III, I would have been without a camera for that year. It took a little while to get used to the older unit, but it was still fully functional, (mostly) familiar, and a quick temporary solution to my need for a replacement unit. Just a thought.
(The 5D-IV is finally back, and it's been fun getting re-familiarized with it and all the options I missed!).
Good luck in your decision!
Jun 22, 2020 21:45:47 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
So you're saying the EOS 5DIV isn't a professional camera at 30MP? Or the Nikon D850 at 45MP?
The white paper for the EOS 1DXIII explained (paraphrased) that the 20MP ish size is intended for uncropped images to be used in 2-page magazine-sized prints. Of course that camera can be used for larger work and cropped as needed, but to assume the technical characteristics of only the $6000 models are the sole definition of 'professional' is a misunderstanding of the camera market.
The white paper for the EOS 1DXIII explained (paraphrased) that the 20MP ish size is intended for uncropped images to be used in 2-page magazine-sized prints. Of course that camera can be used for larger work and cropped as needed, but to assume the technical characteristics of only the $6000 models are the sole definition of 'professional' is a misunderstanding of the camera market.
I an not familiar with the 5D4, I have a 5D3 as a backup, it is a nice camera, but definitely not a professional camera. I an not familiar with the Nikon cameras.
Jun 22, 2020 22:07:14 #
Malco wrote:
I an not familiar with the 5D4, I have a 5D3 as a backup, it is a nice camera, but definitely not a professional camera. I an not familiar with the Nikon cameras.
If you believe the 5D3 isn’t a professional camera, you’ll need to tell the tens of thousands of photojournalists and working pros that have used them. For reference, 5 of the 6 photographers for our paper use or used them (some are moving to 5D4s, and the sports photographer uses a 1DX2).
Jun 23, 2020 06:36:02 #
TriX wrote:
If you believe the 5D3 isn’t a professional camera, you’ll need to tell the tens of thousands of photojournalists and working pros that have used them. For reference, 5 of the 6 photographers for our paper use or used them (some are moving to 5D4s, and the sports photographer uses a 1DX2).
Jun 23, 2020 16:49:33 #
I didn't mean to send anyone a blunt reply. I was trying to reply from my phone and it started acting up.
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