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Jun 13, 2020 23:33:01   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
Ron Dial wrote:
Been there twice (legally, out of Miami). Suggest you try to go with a legal group like a medical or other permitted group. If you get caught, the fine is $50,000 and they enforce it. Stay in old Havana at a hotel like the Hotel Rachel. Beautiful place. Understand that one out of every 5 citizens works for the secret police. Don't openly criticize anything. Do not try to take photos of the military or police. Do not loose your passport. Beware of theft. If you go out of town, especially Santiago de Cuba, beware of gangs. There are great photos to be had. Santa Clara (where Che got his start), is very interesting.

And it is harder getting BACK into the US than getting into Cuba. The American Imigration can hold you without a warrant for days if you give them any crap. Cubans love Americans. Enjoy the trip. And just about everything you thought you knew about Cuba is wrong.
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Given this, why would anyone want to go to Cuba. I've heard that some of the unwilling guests there really don't like it. Go to Puerto Rico instead. And remember that it's "Pwerto," not "Porto," as all the Jeopardy contestants seem to think.

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Jun 13, 2020 23:47:01   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
10MPlayer wrote:
I think you are dreaming if you think they have a better healthcare system than the US. We've all heard the stories of people having to bring their own bandages, bedsheets and antibiotics with them to the hospitals. The maximum legal salary is $20 per month. How does anyone live on that? That's a princely sum that adds up to 67 cents per hour. Every neighborhood has their own community stooge that keeps watch to make sure no one is doing anything subversive like speaking against the government. I'm not sure you actually believe the stuff you are saying. Maybe you work for the Cuban government.

This story (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/michael-j-totten-an-eyewitness-account-of-cubas-shocking-wretchedness) was written in 2014 so it's fairly recent. I don't believe what you say. It can't be that in less than six years living conditions in Cuba have changed that much. How much does the regime pay you to repeat its phony propaganda?
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Ronichas did not say that Cuba has a better health care system than the US. She said that "They have better health care than many in the USA have."
https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html
From the foregoing article: "About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.

Having no health insurance also often means that people will postpone necessary care and forego preventive care - such as childhood immunizations and routine check-ups-completely. Because the uninsured usually have no regular doctor and limited access to prescription medications, they are more likely to be hospitalized for health conditions that could have been avoided.

Delaying care for fear of medical bills is a downward spiral that leads to ultimately higher health care costs for all of us. More than one third of uninsured adults reported they have problems paying their bills, which helps explain why many of the uninsured don't seek out the care they need until the last minute."

How do you know that things haven't changed that much in Cuba in six years? Did you visit and see with your own eyes? And you seem pretty comfortable accusing someone of being paid by the regime to propagandize. If Cuba was such a pleasure to live in during the reign of Batista then why did the populace welcome Castro and his promise of democracy? Why didn't they fight for Batista?

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Jun 13, 2020 23:56:11   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
fetzler wrote:


Communism brings poverty, misery and death.

I suggest it is you that needs an education. You cannot get it on Long Island.


Only in your own fevered right wing imagination is anyone here promoting or praising communism. I enjoyed traveling through Burma and taking pictures. Does that mean I praise a military dictatorship which commits atrocities on the Rohinga? The Burmese I met were very nice. I traveled in Iran whose people have the well-deserved reputation of being the most hospitable of all people. Does that mean I approve of Sharia law and the religious fanatics who rule?

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Jun 14, 2020 00:24:25   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
fetzler wrote:


A couple of YouTube videos from recent travelers may be of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz6VJK3mS08&t=9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RjRqS5vl-Q

If you are not an experienced traveler in the third world, I would not travel solo. A group is a must.

If anyone who thinks that Cuba is paradise on Earth, trade places with a Cuban. Both can thus be in paradise.
Communism brings poverty, misery and death.


The first YouTube video you link to is right wing propaganda produced by Turning Point USA:
Turning Point’s budget of over eight million dollars is funded by donors, many of whom prefer to remain anonymous. However, founder Charlie Kirk admits that donors include those “in the fossil-fuel space”— perhaps why Turning Point has organized campus opposition to calls for schools to divest from fossil-fuel companies......Turning Point may have violated federal rules prohibiting 501(c)(3) charities from engaging in political activity by aiding Republican political campaigns, according to reports in the Chronicle of Higher Education and the New Yorker.

The guy making the second video says that Cuba is beautiful and the people are great. It shows typical third world poverty, so what else is new? No one here is praising Communism, but how about focusing on how our great country is rapidly becoming a banana republic?

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Jun 14, 2020 01:40:20   #
Starman441 Loc: Iguana Land, Fl.
 
philo wrote:
planning a possible trip for the end of the year.
I have never been there, and would love to have your impressions.
I would be booking an Airbnb room and checking out local day photographing workshops.
Please give me any tips you can.
One last thing i would be going solo and the possible safety factor is always an issue.
thanks
I would be flying out of sfo


This link has rhe latest D.O.S. Restrictions as of 1/20/2020:

https://www.state.gov/united-states-further-restricts-air-travel-to-cuba/

It lays out what, when & why.

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Jun 14, 2020 07:49:27   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Julian wrote:
Oh, but you get to photograph old cars...🤪


Yeah, he might run into the very car he traded in 30years ago!

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Jun 14, 2020 08:14:13   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I've know a couple of people who have gone there. Basically, you stay with a family. I'll see if I can get more info. Below is a picture a my friends in their rental car.



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Jun 14, 2020 08:21:57   #
ronichas Loc: Long Island
 
Here are a few images of the team we use in Cuba.
Our group from January 2020, our guide and driver are kneeling in the front.





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Jun 14, 2020 10:02:56   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
Starman441 wrote:
This link has rhe latest D.O.S. Restrictions as of 1/20/2020:

https://www.state.gov/united-states-further-restricts-air-travel-to-cuba/

It lays out what, when & why.

the statement talks about charter flights; what about regular flights i.e. American Airlines? they have flights going everyday.

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Jun 14, 2020 12:12:05   #
truckster Loc: Tampa Bay Area
 
berchman wrote:
Only in your own fevered right wing imagination is anyone here promoting or praising communism.


I try to avoid discussions with wing nuts although I applaud you in your attempt. It is something akin to playing chess with a pidgeon. The bird struts around knocking over the chess pieces, defecates on the board, and acts as if it won.

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Jun 14, 2020 12:16:17   #
gmw12 Loc: Indianapolis & Windsor/UK & Montreux/Switzerl
 
I never felt unsafe even in Havana centro. Just avoid the inevitable hookers (usually asking for a drink when they spot a lonely male at the bar).

I was solo. I booked rooms in so-called casa particulares, i.e. private homes in great conditions, often tastefully decorated. When you need transportation, ask the home owner to make the arrangement and always ask for the cost beforehand. Bring cash, it's easier. American Express is definitively not welcome...(It's actually useless).

Cuba is great for street photography: check out my two latest posts here. Havana is worth 2 or 3 days, Trinidad another couple of days, as well as Cienfuegos. Santa Clara has a Che Guevara memorial, and the train he robbed for weapons.

You can PM me if you have specific questions.

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Jun 14, 2020 12:39:52   #
truckster Loc: Tampa Bay Area
 
berchman wrote:


The guy making the second video says that Cuba is beautiful and the people are great. It shows typical third world poverty, so what else is new? No one here is praising Communism, but how about focusing on how our great country is rapidly becoming a banana republic?


I'm guessing those that talk down about other countries haven't really been to many major American cities, like Baltimore, St Louis, Kansas City, Kansas ... Flint and Detroit.

I've seen the poverty in Cuba, but I have also seen parts of Detroit, Camden, New Jersey, West Philadelphia, Baltimore, South Atlanta, and parts of Miami. Our country has been on a forty-five-year course to destroy itself. Once the world looked to us for examples to become themselves. Now we are reduced to selling off parts of America while our infrastructure and our cities deteriorate and wither.

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Jun 14, 2020 13:20:02   #
redorb
 
Going solo is risky. Never say anything negative about the government, everyone's a spy. They don't take credit cards or dollars bring euros. Try and stay in a hotel for safety. Traveling alone and staying at an airBnB you don't know the neighborhood and at night, risky. When I came back to the States I was questioned as to what I was doing there, fortunately I was there on a photo shoot.

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Jun 14, 2020 14:53:49   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
The reply from my friend -

Ah Cuba! A wonderful country, so close yet so far!

Travel is restricted, yet open.

US Carriers are prohibited, but individuals can travel on their own from other countries.

Some US Travelers are permitted with special visas. (this has always been the case, since 1959, cultural visas, scientific, etc. but are still restricted)

Best advice - See US State Department information and other sites….


https://www.adventurouskate.com/can-americans-travel-to-cuba/


https://www.viahero.com/travel-to-cuba/can-i-travel-to-cuba

https://cu.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/local-resources-of-u-s-citizens/traveling-to-cuba/

The US Embassy information would be the best advice!

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Jun 14, 2020 15:59:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
More from my friend -

There is so much official information out there! Research to do, decisions to make and not trust single individuals.

Our trip to Cuba was for 14 days. Lots to see and do, of our travelers, many had different opinions, and observations.

Again the US Dept. of State is a wonderful resource.

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