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Jun 7, 2020 10:26:35   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
Toment wrote:
Tiny bit of CA in catch light on second photo but definitely a keeper
Nice...
Thanks


Pixel peeper . . .

Stan

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Jun 7, 2020 10:27:58   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Peteso wrote:
The Olympus 1.4x & 2.0x teleconverters produce excellent results with compatible Olympus Pro lenses. I am surprised that micro 4/3rds doesn’t receive more attention by wildlife Hoggers. Mft weight and cost advantages are considerable.


Go to you-tube and see the Tony Northrup test of the Oly 300 f4 pro ......

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Jun 7, 2020 11:44:30   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
one of my combos is a Sony a-77 slt with a 200mm f 2.8 apo G hi-speed. and a 2x tc. here are a few examples.


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Jun 7, 2020 12:06:38   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
brontodon wrote:
I've always been under the impression that teleconverters reduce image quality. My first teleconverter was a 4-element Vivitar, which I used with my Canon FD lenses, and it really did reduce image quality, especially if shot with the lens wide open. Many years later, I tried a Kenko Pro teleconverter with 7 optical elements. It was much better than the Vivitar, but I would still get a lot of chromatic aberration when I used it my 300mm f/4 Nikkor (having switched to Nikon at some point.) That experience led me to put away the TC and pretty much forget that I owned it.

Recently I have been doing a lot of bird photography, which generally requires long telephoto lenses -- the longer, the better. I started using a 200-500mm Nikon zoom, which is a fine lens, but even 500mm is too short for a lot of bird photography. The 200-500 has a couple of features -- vibration reduction and electronic diaphragm control -- that didn't exist back when by teleconverter was made. I started wondering whether the lens would work with the TC, and to my surprise, it did!

The 200-500mm Nikkor has 19 lens elements, and I felt that adding 7 more would not be conducive to high image quality, but to my surprise, image degradation has been less noticeable than I expected. I have only been using the combination for a few days, but I have been pleasantly surprised by the results I'm getting. The 200-500 isn't the best-handling lens -- it's heavy and bulky -- but the TC adds less than an inch of length and only 5 or 6 ounces of weight. It makes the lens into a 280-700mm zoom with a constant aperture of f/8, and the 700mm focal length is letting me get shots that just wouldn't work at 500mm. I'm also not having any trouble with focus speed or accuracy at f/8, even using the off-center AF points of my Nikon D7100.

I never thought I'd be using a teleconverter with a long zoom lens (particularly such an old teleconverter!), but my results have been surprisingly good, and having 700mm at my disposal surely helps!
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Nice work and congratulations......looks excellent to my eyes. Love them.

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Jun 7, 2020 12:08:00   #
markinvictoria Loc: Victoria TX
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes - especially compared with the price of a long lens. I use my Kenko 1.4TC occasionally, and I'm satisfied with the results.


I tried the Kenko 1.4 when I got my 200-500...It had a noticeable hum/vibration when using the VR...I returned the Kenko...did not want to risk messing up my new 200-500.

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Jun 7, 2020 12:50:08   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
brontodon wrote:
I've always been under the impression that teleconverters reduce image quality. My first teleconverter was a 4-element Vivitar, which I used with my Canon FD lenses, and it really did reduce image quality, especially if shot with the lens wide open. Many years later, I tried a Kenko Pro teleconverter with 7 optical elements. It was much better than the Vivitar, but I would still get a lot of chromatic aberration when I used it my 300mm f/4 Nikkor (having switched to Nikon at some point.) That experience led me to put away the TC and pretty much forget that I owned it.

Recently I have been doing a lot of bird photography, which generally requires long telephoto lenses -- the longer, the better. I started using a 200-500mm Nikon zoom, which is a fine lens, but even 500mm is too short for a lot of bird photography. The 200-500 has a couple of features -- vibration reduction and electronic diaphragm control -- that didn't exist back when by teleconverter was made. I started wondering whether the lens would work with the TC, and to my surprise, it did!

The 200-500mm Nikkor has 19 lens elements, and I felt that adding 7 more would not be conducive to high image quality, but to my surprise, image degradation has been less noticeable than I expected. I have only been using the combination for a few days, but I have been pleasantly surprised by the results I'm getting. The 200-500 isn't the best-handling lens -- it's heavy and bulky -- but the TC adds less than an inch of length and only 5 or 6 ounces of weight. It makes the lens into a 280-700mm zoom with a constant aperture of f/8, and the 700mm focal length is letting me get shots that just wouldn't work at 500mm. I'm also not having any trouble with focus speed or accuracy at f/8, even using the off-center AF points of my Nikon D7100.

I never thought I'd be using a teleconverter with a long zoom lens (particularly such an old teleconverter!), but my results have been surprisingly good, and having 700mm at my disposal surely helps!
I've always been under the impression that telecon... (show quote)

I was of the same opinion WRT teleconverters until I decided to buy a Sony 1.4x TC to go with my Sony FE 200-600mm lens. Even at a full 840mm the image quality holds up. But shooting at focal lengths over about 500mm definitely has an impact on shooting style!

However, my opinion of 3rd party TC's has not changed; they do seriously impact image quality!

bwa
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Sandhill Crane - Sony A7 III, Sony FE 200-600mm, Sony 1.4x teleconverter, handheld
Sandhill Crane - Sony A7 III, Sony FE 200-600mm, S...
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Jun 8, 2020 08:10:54   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
bwana wrote:
I was of the same opinion WRT teleconverters until I decided to buy a Sony 1.4x TC to go with my Sony FE 200-600mm lens. Even at a full 840mm the image quality holds up. But shooting at focal lengths over about 500mm definitely has an impact on shooting style!

However, my opinion of 3rd party TC's has not changed; they do seriously impact image quality!

bwai
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I use the Minolta 1.4x and the 2.8x tc's with the Minolta 200mm f2.8 apo G hi speed, and the 80-200mm f2.8 apo G hi speed with good results. with each I mostly use a monopod. with the 200mm version good results were easy with both tc's hand held. the camera was the Sony a-77 slt.

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Jun 8, 2020 08:58:09   #
brontodon
 
bull drink water wrote:
one of my combos is a Sony a-77 slt with a 200mm f 2.8 apo G hi-speed. and a 2x tc. here are a few examples.


I suspect a 200mm f/2.8 lens will do better with a TC than a zoom lens -- it's faster to start with, and has fewer elements in its optical formula.

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Jun 8, 2020 09:08:44   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
brontodon wrote:
I suspect a 200mm f/2.8 lens will do better with a TC than a zoom lens -- it's faster to start with, and has fewer elements in its optical formula.


I have heard, somewhere, that typically do better with faster primes than the zooms, as you say, because they are typically faster.

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Jun 8, 2020 11:21:32   #
kkayser
 
The way to check a TC is to photograph a test chart from the same distance with and without the TC. The one with the TC always has more lines of resolution (in my experience).

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Jun 8, 2020 22:27:32   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
brontodon wrote:
I suspect a 200mm f/2.8 lens will do better with a TC than a zoom lens -- it's faster to start with, and has fewer elements in its optical formula.


my zoom lens is f2.8 across the board, I don't think the number of elements hurts things.

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Jun 9, 2020 19:42:14   #
Fred F
 
I had been meaning to post on my results with TC on the Tamron 150-600 mm, so in light of this OP now is an appropriate time.

I'd been using a N 300 mm prime w/ a 1.4xTC with good results. I'd say one almost needs a TC if using 300 mm for bird photography. Well, recently I got the Tamron 150-600 zoom and have been very pleased with its resolution - indeed, at full zoom almost 2x that with the 300 mm lens, with no softness at all. But I had heard the conventional wisdom that TC's are not good w/zooms, so I was skeptical when I tried a Tamron 1.4xTC with it. But the results were a pleasant surprise! The resolution, as measured on test charts, was amazingly good, yielding almost a 1.4x increase even at full zoom! Of course, one must also consider the increased weight of the zoom cf the smaller lens and the consequent shake if hand-held as opposed to tripod mounted. But I agree - it's time to reconsider the iq of zooms + TC's.

FredF

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