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Jun 3, 2020 15:45:46   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Paul Diamond you might benefit from "Working with extension tubes | Macro Photography | lynda.com"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55IlBkVY4eY

In this video by Lynda.com the speaker recommends Kenko Extension Tubes and he speaks off their virtues and limitations (which are significant).

I have the Kenko Automatic Extension Tube Set DG for Nikon.
It does work as advertised...

That said here are important caveats I've discovered in using them.
1. Always attach to the camera body first (otherwise the electronics may not work as designed)
2. Consider limiting your optic to a lightweight 50mm (or similar). These tubes are not robust.
3. Only use a single tube at a time... Experience is a brutal teacher.

Other very important issues:
1. Depth of field is a huge problem! You will want to stop down to f/11 or f/16
2. Likewise these are an epic failure for available light.. f/16 combined with high magnification limits acuity unless you are locked down on a solid tripod, even then you subject will likely move.
3. Please realize that you will likely need off camera flash for publication quality imagery...

Now the good news...
any cheap manual flash will do...
However you will be far better served with a Nikon compatible Speedlight attached to a SC-29 $80 (or 28 $50) cable. This will allow for full iTTL control (which can be fine tuned with Flash Compensation.)

There... I've just given you months worth of R&D trust you'll be able to put this to good use...

FYI: If you are serious about macro photography you will ultimately obtain a macro lens...
I have the AF 200mm f/4 ED IF micro Nikkor which is considered an industry standard... Trust me it is...
That said I also have the Tokina AF 100mm f/2.8 which is a virtual gem... use it for both macro and more so for beauty genre... save your money and pick up the Tokina at less than half the cost of the similar Nikkor.

All the best on your journey Paul Diamond
Please stay safe and wear a mask while in public...
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Thomas, thanks for sharing so much information. Certain it might help many reading this who are new to macro. For me, suggesting limitation to the weight of a 50mm lens with the Kenko tube is a game limiter.

Your other info is valuable to newer potential macro users. Thanks. For my studio work, I use a tent with continuous spectrum (5000K) lighting and ring lights on the lens. I need shadowless lighting for product photography to be used on the internet (catalog type). To maintain my sanity, I use my cameras and lenses in the 'real world'. This is where I was hoping for a workable solution.

I haven't yet tried to use a ring light in a forest/natural location for macro shots. I have a battery operated ring light that is large enough for my Tamron 90mm macro lens/lenshood. Haven't tried it with larger/longer lenses 'in the field because of the carry weight with batteries. No team of staff to fetch and carry for me in between shots.

I took a 'forest bathing' break today for about 3 miles with D850/200-500 zoom and small back pack with D800E/Tamron 90macro and flash. Always with a mask. Wearing a mask in public is showing respect for others. Only about 5 of the 100+ people I passed were wearing masks on the Roswell Riverwalk section I walked. Quite a shame.

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Jun 3, 2020 16:20:08   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The Kenko tubes are a good value and I highly recommend them. For $129 you get three tubes: 12mm, 20mm and 36mm. You can use them individually or combine any two or all three for greater extension. They maintain full lens functionality and are well made with strong mechanical lens latches (which can be important!).

I don't know if the current Kenko tubes are metal. The older ones I've used for around 15 years (with my Canon kit) certainly are.

If the lenses you plan to use with them are relatively lightweight, the $79 Vello/Opteka extension tube set (same sizes as above) is an alternative. They are plastic and lighter built than the Kenko... but would probably be fine so long as you aren't using them with particularly heavy lenses.

Avoid the really cheap sets (under $25). They don't have any electronic contacts to support AF, VR or aperture control on G series lenses. You might be fine with manual focusing close-ups... And losing VR isn't a big deal, particularly if using a tripod... However, not having means of controlling the aperture of modern lenses is a problem. This type of extension tube is okay for use with vintage lenses that have a built-in, mechanical aperture control ring.

It's the same problem with Nikon's own PK-11, PK-12 and PK-13 extension tubes (sold separately for $90 or $100 apiece!). There is no means of aperture control with many modern lenses. They also don't support AF or VR, but, again, those are things you can live without. The lack of aperture control with any G-type lens is a problem, though.

EDIT: Image quality with cheap sets of "close-up filters" really sucks. There are better quality, such as the Canon 500D and 250D (both in very limited sizes). HOWEVER, even those cost some image quality. I've used them, still have one (77mm 500D), but prefer to use macro extension tubes with no optics to spoil a lens' native image quality capabilities. The better quality diopter lenses ain't cheap, either. For good ones, you'll pay as much or more for one than for a set of quality extension tubes... and the diopter lenses will be more limited in their usefulness, only usable on select lens diameters. Macro extension tubes, on the other hand, are highly universal... can be used with practically any lens.

I also just came across a Movo 25mm extension tube selling for $35. I have no personal experience with it, but according to the description it's all metal (aluminum). Whether it's up to the quality of the Kenko or not, I don't know. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1542435-REG/movo_photo_ext_n25_25mm_af_extension_tube.html
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Thanks for your help. I went to B&H site. They had pic of the movo123 Nikon extension tube. One photo shows the 'array' of contacts inside the tube to interface with the lens. Assume it has same contacts on the camera mount end that was not shown. While I could not access the movo123.com website, the photos at B&H helped me to decide to order a 25mm extension tube. Well worth trying for $35, metal tube construction.

Appreciate you all and your willingness to help.

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Jun 3, 2020 16:37:53   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Muddyvalley wrote:
Don't you mean the 600mm FL f/4? I wasn't aware of a 600mm PF, only a 500mm PF, which is an f/5.6.

BTW, The 500mm FL with a TC-14E III 1.4 extender gets you 1/2 that distance closer @ ~750mm. & is lighter & Hand hold-able thsn the 600mm FL. I do it all the time with my D850 for dragonflies to birds.
Using any other than an altered Nikon converter is risking a catastrophe. I had a Kinko break and drop my 105mm lens. It was ok, but I would never put one on either a 500 or a 600 FL.
Time to downsize?
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Nikkor 600mm F/4G AF-S VR Lens Just bought, not yet arrived. Closest focus is 14 feet. My Nikon 200-500 zoom focuses to 7.3 feet and does great out to about 15 feet with what we would consider 'macro' subjects. It's a bit like always longing for a longer reach telephoto lens than the biggest one you own. Because I own a 200-500 f5.6 zoom, I wanted a PF that would be at least a bit better/longer. And I thought about size/weight of the PF lens on a heavy camera body. The D850/200-500 is about 8 pounds. The D850/600 PF should be about 3 pounds heavier. Hopefully bearable as a weight from the custom 600PF neckstrap or with a Manfrotto monopod attached as carry weight. We will see.

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Jun 3, 2020 16:49:50   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
dearroz wrote:
I too have been looking into obtaining an extension tube for my Nikon D5600 and have found several brands that I can see have the contacts that support the AF requirement. In looking at the specs and photos I am concerned about the aperture control, as on the 5600, not sure of other models, it is a mechanical control. Can not tell if the lens aperture can still be controlled from the camera. Would appreciate any insight.

Thank you.


Dearroz I don't know your D5600. But if it uses the array of digital contacts on the lenses and camera body, the mco 25mm extension tube is worth looking at. I saw pics at B&H. My chat with the B&H rep was not productive. But how can you expect anyone to answer any question about a specialty item? Look at your camera/lens and the B&H pics from the link on this thread. This is a metal extension tube, not plastic.

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Jun 3, 2020 20:04:26   #
Muddyvalley Loc: McMinnville, Oregon
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Nikkor 600mm F/4G AF-S VR Lens Just bought, not yet arrived. Closest focus is 14 feet. My Nikon 200-500 zoom focuses to 7.3 feet and does great out to about 15 feet with what we would consider 'macro' subjects. It's a bit like always longing for a longer reach telephoto lens than the biggest one you own. Because I own a 200-500 f5.6 zoom, I wanted a PF that would be at least a bit better/longer. And I thought about size/weight of the PF lens on a heavy camera body. The D850/200-500 is about 8 pounds. The D850/600 PF should be about 3 pounds heavier. Hopefully bearable as a weight from the custom 600PF neckstrap or with a Manfrotto monopod attached as carry weight. We will see.
Nikkor 600mm F/4G AF-S VR Lens Just bought, not y... (show quote)


I use a Peak Design system/strap & it is quite comfortable carrying the 850 & 500fl, allowing me to swing it up and manage a BIF or a dragon. The nice thing is I can unclip the strap & use it on other combinations of lenses & camera. The 600FL rates a carbon monopod & Wimberly mini gimbal head thanks to Steve Perry's advice. Surprising how only a couple of pounds can seem so much heavier. But rigged with the Gitzo it is easy to carry. Check out Back country gallery & watch Steve's video. The lens was expensive, you'll be glad it got the support it deserves. I am! But it still isn't as quick to acquire a target as the 500 with the PD strap.

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Jun 3, 2020 21:00:28   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
btbg wrote:
The Kenko extension tubes cost so much less than Nikon tubes that even if you break them you can replace them two or three times for the cost of just one Nikon extension tube and you will have a full set.

They work well, but they are plastic, so they are easy to break.


My comment was not with rergard to "breaking" them but with respect to a problem I have encountered which simply needed an easy strip down to re-seat the pressure reliant contacts at one end.

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Jun 3, 2020 21:17:33   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
photoman43 wrote:
When I have used Kenko tubes on my Nikon 200mm f4, the tube has separated while on the lens from the weight of the lens or the camera body often with a battery pack. This occurred when the 200mm lens was mounted to a tripod using its tripod collar foot. When using more than one tube, separation takes place, often with ease. I use the largest Kenko tube with my 200mm f4 to try and minimize and strain. I do not know if other brands that retain AF are stronger, like those from Vello or Meike.


Nikon made a 'rail' to hold a camera and lens or spotting scope. Been discontinued for some time. But you might be able to find one online. Will have to search for mine. I'd forgotten about it in the storage closet. If I find it, I'll post info about the model # on this thread. If it can support the camera and lens, there should be no strain/stress on the extension tube or focus tube between them.

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Jun 3, 2020 22:07:37   #
GAH1944 Loc: SW Mich.
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
I'm seeking advice and help, please. I shoot with Nikon D800E and D850, a variety of lenses. I need to buy an extension tube or set that will give me closer focus without losing auto exposure or autofocus features of my lenses/cameras. I haven't found any yet. I'm hoping fellow Hoggers can help point me toward something that will work for me. If you have personal experience using the thing you are recommending, even more valuable advice.

Thanks for reading, and for your help, please.
I'm seeking advice and help, please. I shoot with... (show quote)


---Paul, I have an 800e and an 810 and I purchased a "Vello" AF ext tube ( 12, 20, and 36 )--I like it

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Jun 3, 2020 22:13:13   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
GAH1944 wrote:
---Paul, I have an 800e and an 810 and I purchased a "Vello" AF ext tube ( 12, 20, and 36 )--I like it


Hi, I just looked them up with Google. All of the 'hits' brought me back to B&H. I saw the Nikon 'pin' array photo on one of the tubes. Since you have them, are the tubes made of metal of plastic?

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Jun 3, 2020 22:19:04   #
GAH1944 Loc: SW Mich.
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Hi, I just looked them up with Google. All of the 'hits' brought me back to B&H. I saw the Nikon 'pin' array photo on one of the tubes. Since you have them, are the tubes made of metal of plastic?


------tube is plastic, base connection is metal---I've had mine for about 6 yrs------

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Jun 4, 2020 00:36:49   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
Nikon made a 'rail' to hold a camera and lens or spotting scope. Been discontinued for some time. But you might be able to find one online. Will have to search for mine. I'd forgotten about it in the storage closet. If I find it, I'll post info about the model # on this thread. If it can support the camera and lens, there should be no strain/stress on the extension tube or focus tube between them.


I have at times when using a number of my Kenko tubes also used a 'very cheap' rail attached to the tripod thread at the camera extending forward and simply placed something between its surface and the lens. This removed any strain on the tubes. I recall a pencil was the perfect fit

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Jun 4, 2020 08:12:50   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Grahame wrote:
I have at times when using a number of my Kenko tubes also used a 'very cheap' rail attached to the tripod thread at the camera extending forward and simply placed something between its surface and the lens. This removed any strain on the tubes. I recall a pencil was the perfect fit


Hi, My rail is a "Nikon UBK" In looking at it, I see that I am going to have to file or saw cut down a center part of an "L" shaped bracket. The platform for the camera needs to move further 'down' than the L allows it to point 90 degrees directly forward. Not a big deal. And, I can find some black paint to finish off the filing.

UHH members might find these new or used and investigate if it is good for them. (After I saw the build quality of 1 piece, I bought the other 8 in this seller's stock. But, not sure exactly where I put them. So, no offer to UHHers until I do have them in hand. Full, screwthread X/Y axis fine adjustment of distance from the camera and right/left alignment, as needed.

Was the Nikon spotting scope optics division afraid of competing with the Camera division? I'm betting some politics was involved - or it might still be selling.

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Jun 4, 2020 22:09:57   #
WoodyOM1
 
Promoter also makes a set of ext. tubes which maintains communication between body and lens (cat#8819) and sells for $110. Find those at a Promaster dealer camera shop. Marumi makes some nice Achromat multicoated two element close-up filters if you wish to check out that route. One thing to keep in mind is that depending on the amount of light, max. aperture of the lens, and amount of ext. tube extension, bellows factor could effect the amount of light getting to the AF sensors, thus possible trouble autofocusing. Reverse rings can be a lot of fun, tho somewhat limiting and no AF.

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Jun 4, 2020 22:27:18   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
WoodyOM1 wrote:
Promoter also makes a set of ext. tubes which maintains communication between body and lens (cat#8819) and sells for $110. Find those at a Promaster dealer camera shop. Marumi makes some nice Achromat multicoated two element close-up filters if you wish to check out that route. One thing to keep in mind is that depending on the amount of light, max. aperture of the lens, and amount of ext. tube extension, bellows factor could effect the amount of light getting to the AF sensors, thus possible trouble autofocusing. Reverse rings can be a lot of fun, tho somewhat limiting and no AF.
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Thanks for your helpful reply.

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