For Those Who Think Luminar is Fantastic
Jun 2, 2020 22:10:39 #
May I suggest a new name for this Thread:..... TRICK Photography or 'Photo-Manuplination'
With all due respect SuperFly,,,,
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. or you just want to 'argue'
Many, many times, I have agreed that editing part of the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of the 'Zones System' known to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos to the point where the 'final view' totally 'mis-represents' the actual scene as it was taken, that is 'Trick Photography' ... and if you don't disclose 'Trickery' then, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" and 'Trickery' if the creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained to the viewer...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into thinking that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer think they are the 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART (Trickery)........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very unique shot which 'a unique moment in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Anyone can learn photoshop
With all due respect, I hope that this 'clarifies' my position on 'Trickery' and 'Mis-Representation' with it be a 'different sky' in Luminar..... or a 'added moon' put in using photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
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With all due respect SuperFly,,,,
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. or you just want to 'argue'
Many, many times, I have agreed that editing part of the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of the 'Zones System' known to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos to the point where the 'final view' totally 'mis-represents' the actual scene as it was taken, that is 'Trick Photography' ... and if you don't disclose 'Trickery' then, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" and 'Trickery' if the creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained to the viewer...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into thinking that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer think they are the 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART (Trickery)........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very unique shot which 'a unique moment in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Anyone can learn photoshop
With all due respect, I hope that this 'clarifies' my position on 'Trickery' and 'Mis-Representation' with it be a 'different sky' in Luminar..... or a 'added moon' put in using photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
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Jun 2, 2020 22:29:29 #
With all due respect SuperFly,,,,
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. of you just want to 'argue'
Many times I said editing that the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of 'Zones System' know to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos which are now real... and you don't disclose it to the point that it tricks the view to thing it is something which is REAL, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into think that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer this 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very uniques shot which 'unique mement in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. of you just want to 'argue'
Many times I said editing that the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of 'Zones System' know to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos which are now real... and you don't disclose it to the point that it tricks the view to thing it is something which is REAL, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into think that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer this 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very uniques shot which 'unique mement in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
Jun 2, 2020 22:29:29 #
With all due respect SuperFly,,,,
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. of you just want to 'argue'
Many times I said editing that the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of 'Zones System' know to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos which are now real... and you don't disclose it to the point that it tricks the view to thing it is something which is REAL, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into think that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer this 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very uniques shot which 'unique mement in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. of you just want to 'argue'
Many times I said editing that the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of 'Zones System' know to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos which are now real... and you don't disclose it to the point that it tricks the view to thing it is something which is REAL, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into think that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer this 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very uniques shot which 'unique mement in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
Jun 2, 2020 22:35:40 #
cahale
Loc: San Angelo, TX
Linda From Maine wrote:
Oh goody, another thread soon to be filled with laments about the good old days... the days of serious photography, when men were men and editing was all wet 🙄
You tell'm sister. We don't all enter contests with every photo we take. At least, I don't.
Jun 2, 2020 22:42:36 #
May I suggest a new name for this Thread:..... TRICK Photography or 'Photo-Manuplination'
With all due respect SuperFly,,,,
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. or you just want to 'argue'
Many, many times, I have agreed that editing part of the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of the 'Zones System' known to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos to the point where the 'final view' totally 'mis-represents' the actual scene as it was taken, that is 'Trick Photography' ... and if you don't disclose 'Trickery' then, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" and 'Trickery' if the creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained to the viewer...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into thinking that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer think they are the 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART (Trickery)........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very unique shot which 'a unique moment in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Anyone can learn photoshop
With all due respect, I hope that this 'clarifies' my position on 'Trickery' and 'Mis-Representation' with it be a 'different sky' in Luminar..... or a 'added moon' put in using photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
........
With all due respect SuperFly,,,,
...... You Can NOT read... or You don't want to read.. or you just want to 'argue'
Many, many times, I have agreed that editing part of the 'nature' of the field of Photography...
..... Even Ansel Adams did it,,,, BUT, Ansel Adams made his techniques of the 'Zones System' known to all... and what I am professing is that 'if you change photos to the point where the 'final view' totally 'mis-represents' the actual scene as it was taken, that is 'Trick Photography' ... and if you don't disclose 'Trickery' then, that is a LIE...."
I have never,,,,, and I repeat NEVER, said editing is NOT allowed.... I am calling out 'Deception' like when someone 'changes a sky' in Luminar,,, or they 'Put a moon' in a picture over Spaceship Earth @ Disney... and the "ART" and 'Trickery' if the creator does not disclose that... The 'Absents of Disclosure' is the 'Same as a Lie'
.. In many instances, 'editing' renders a photo 'close' to what was seen by the creator....
.. In some instances editing is obvious and does NOT need to be explained to the viewer...
.. and in some instances, editing is done in a 'deceptive manor' which is called 'Photo-Manipulation '
Such 'Manipulation' for the purpose of the 'Creator of the ART' is to lead the viewer into thinking that something is just so wonderful' and the makes the photographer think they are the 'most wonderful thing since sliced bread...'...........i.e. that is what is called 'Deception' and that is what I am 'calling out'
I have never, never said 'editing' is wrong........ what I said is that 'DECEPTION' is wrong... If you change something and 'the change is NOT part of the 'view' of the 'original' shot.... Don't take credit for 'something you are NOT....... It is Created ART (Trickery)........ and anyone with a camera, a computer and photoshop can do...
Someone with 'Photoshop Editing Skills' is entirely different and, it takes less talent, than someone who can actually 'meticulously' plan out a very unique shot which 'a unique moment in time...' which take much, much more time, and skills that someone who just uses a computer and photoshop...
Anyone can learn photoshop
With all due respect, I hope that this 'clarifies' my position on 'Trickery' and 'Mis-Representation' with it be a 'different sky' in Luminar..... or a 'added moon' put in using photoshop...
Cheers
GeoVz
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Jun 2, 2020 22:56:07 #
Saturation is part of the interpretation. It may be a bit heavy for your liking but others might find it super nice. Note the photographer didn't put anything in the scene that wasn't there. Saturation, burning, and dodging are all done to items in the scene.
--Bob
--Bob
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Nice captures but a little heavy on the saturation in PP.
Jun 2, 2020 23:00:45 #
Bob.....
Like I said on previous post........
Title of this Thread should be changed to: "Trick Photography" .. or "Photomanupliation"
See below
https://www.yourdictionary.com/photomanipulation
Cheers
GeoVz
Like I said on previous post........
Title of this Thread should be changed to: "Trick Photography" .. or "Photomanupliation"
See below
https://www.yourdictionary.com/photomanipulation
Cheers
GeoVz
Jun 2, 2020 23:07:32 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
No, I just think it’s ironic after your diatribe about honesty.
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To SuperFly and others on this thread... I would offer the below
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.... Photo-manipulation involves transforming or altering a photograph using various methods and techniques to achieve desired results. Some photo manipulations are considered skillful artwork while others are frowned upon as unethical practices, especially when used to deceive the public.
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........... The above key words are ... "to deceive the public'
Please refer to the below listed URL for further narrative on the subject...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_manipulation
Like Bob said....... When you 'add' to the image, to alter the 'original viewed scene' that is Manupliation
....... and what I am saying is that 'Manipulation' without 'full disclosure' is deceptive and a LIE
// Cheers
GeoVz
Jun 2, 2020 23:42:14 #
I am heartily sick and tired of this thread!! It has degenerated into a string of ad hominem attacks and has become a personal battle instead of a civil discussion of a worthwhile topic, the nature of artistic license versus artistic truthfulness. Can we move on?
Jun 2, 2020 23:50:04 #
Adam......
You have the 'Right' to NOT read this ...
.......... It is 'OK' if you exercise you 'Right'
Free Speech,,,,,,,,,, I believe that open and honest discussion brings clarity and meaning to reality and the subject is worthy of vigorous and detailed debate..
It is "OK" if you do not want to follow this thread... just 'click' and 'un-check' the check mark below which says.... (after replying, watch this topic) .... If you uncheck,,, you will NOT get any further notices...
Cheers
GeoVz
You have the 'Right' to NOT read this ...
.......... It is 'OK' if you exercise you 'Right'
Free Speech,,,,,,,,,, I believe that open and honest discussion brings clarity and meaning to reality and the subject is worthy of vigorous and detailed debate..
It is "OK" if you do not want to follow this thread... just 'click' and 'un-check' the check mark below which says.... (after replying, watch this topic) .... If you uncheck,,, you will NOT get any further notices...
Cheers
GeoVz
Jun 3, 2020 00:24:17 #
adamsg wrote:
I am heartily sick and tired of this thread!! It has degenerated into a string of ad hominem attacks and has become a personal battle instead of a civil discussion of a worthwhile topic, the nature of artistic license versus artistic truthfulness. Can we move on?
Liberal use of the 'unwatch' link at the upper left of every page greatly improves the site ...
Jun 3, 2020 00:32:36 #
Jun 3, 2020 01:12:02 #
goldstar46 wrote:
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Removing something from a photo is also “manipulation” as you call it. Photographers do it all the time. How is that any different than adding something? Even your oversaturation is “manipulation”. You’re adding color that didn’t exist.
I also have to come clean. I was dishonest. I said your over saturated birds were a “good capture”. Truthfully it’s a good thing you didn’t upload the originals. They’re not nearly sharp enough to stand up to it.
Jun 3, 2020 01:19:20 #
Super....
It is wonderful that we live in American and we are allowed to each have our own opinion...
It is OK, to be different...
May you have a blessed day my friend
Cheers
GeoVz
It is wonderful that we live in American and we are allowed to each have our own opinion...
It is OK, to be different...
May you have a blessed day my friend
Cheers
GeoVz
Jun 3, 2020 01:21:48 #
Oh.. Super..
I am sorry, but in the hast of posting some shots..
Those images were from Facebook download of mine and the DPI are about 72...
.... So, yes, they lack in quality....
.......... My Bad
GeoVz
I am sorry, but in the hast of posting some shots..
Those images were from Facebook download of mine and the DPI are about 72...
.... So, yes, they lack in quality....
.......... My Bad
GeoVz
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