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May 29, 2020 13:15:15   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Ysarex wrote:
I am constantly shocked and aghast at how these anti-vaccine folks can be so fundamentally wrong over and over again! Covid isn't a bacterium. It's alien nanites and all those who don't die are being transformed into slaves of our new supreme overlord Tourg.


LOL The world is NOT round! It's a conspiracy!!
Vaccines cause autism! It's a fact!
Photographs will steal your soul!
And the Great Spaghetti Monster thinks Tourq is a fool. Repent!

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May 29, 2020 14:02:00   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Harry0 wrote:
LOL The world is NOT round! It's a conspiracy!!
Vaccines cause autism! It's a fact!

It is not a fact
Only anti-vaxers believe such a silly thing!

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May 29, 2020 14:13:54   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
You know it has to be true. She read it on the Internet!!

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May 29, 2020 14:24:04   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
SteveR wrote:
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I get her postings on fb. The last one which she forwarded is posted below. It kind of blew my mind. The first proposition is that Covid-19 is NOT a virus but a bacteria. It gets better from there.

🤔🤔🤔 (interesting 🤔 anyone else heard this?!?) Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily
treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.
Another article regarding it:
Carlie J Gardipee 2020
Coronavirus / Health
Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot.
The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers
“THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later."
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Note that in one place the post calls Covid-19 a bacteria but in a later paragraph refers to it as a virus.
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I ... (show quote)

Your cousin's daughter is full of bullshit! She and her ilk will be the reason for COVID-19 being around for a long, long while!!

bwa

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May 29, 2020 14:25:08   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Ysarex wrote:
I am constantly shocked and aghast at how these anti-vaccine folks can be so fundamentally wrong over and over again! Covid isn't a bacterium. It's alien nanites and all those who don't die are being transformed into slaves of our new supreme overlord Tourg.



Makes more sense than the original post!!

bwa

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May 29, 2020 15:08:19   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
Ysarex wrote:
This one is so easy. In the course of world history the single most important medical advance made by the human race:__________________

There are only a few contenders to fill in that blank, vaccines is one, possibly antibiotics, possibly anesthesia, but I'd fill that in with vaccines as the biggest bang for the effort.


"soap" The wonders of which are still unrecognized in parts of the Middle East.

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May 29, 2020 16:00:37   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rehess wrote:
It is not a fact
Only anti-vaxers believe such a silly thing!



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May 29, 2020 16:05:51   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Harry0 wrote:
LOL The world is NOT round! It's a conspiracy!!
Vaccines cause autism! It's a fact!
Photographs will steal your soul!
And the Great Spaghetti Monster thinks Tourq is a fool. Repent!


With any vaccine there is a possibility of some tragic case.
But the millions of tragedies it prevents far outweighs any possible single case.
This autism a few years ago was called ADHD but parents could not get free medicine to dull an inquisitive boy to being half dead and can be propped in a corner so as to not interrupt the parents selfish lifestyle so the doctors now call it Autism so the parents get welfare and free medicine etc.

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May 29, 2020 16:42:50   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
SteveR wrote:
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I get her postings on fb. The last one which she forwarded is posted below. It kind of blew my mind. The first proposition is that Covid-19 is NOT a virus but a bacteria. It gets better from there.

🤔🤔🤔 (interesting 🤔 anyone else heard this?!?) Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily
treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.
Another article regarding it:
Carlie J Gardipee 2020
Coronavirus / Health
Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot.
The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers
“THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later."
Copy and pasted

Note that in one place the post calls Covid-19 a bacteria but in a later paragraph refers to it as a virus.
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I ... (show quote)

So, that means that since I take Eliquis I can't get C19?

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May 29, 2020 16:46:59   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Architect1776 wrote:
...This autism a few years ago was called ADHD but parents could not get free medicine to dull an inquisitive boy to being half dead and can be propped in a corner so as to not interrupt the parents selfish lifestyle so the doctors now call it Autism so the parents get welfare and free medicine etc.


I truly hope that you’re not equating autism with ADHD or implying that parents that get medical help and perhaps medication for children afflicted with ADHD or Autism are trying to “dull an inquisitive boy to being half dead and can be propped in a corner so as not to interrupt their selfish lifestyle”

I can’t speak directly to Autism, but let’s be clear that there is a big difference between Autism and ADHD. Let’s also be clear that ADHD is NOT the same as being inquisitive and let’s also be clear that medication can assist with the symptoms, and if properly prescribed, does not leave “dull children propped in a corner” if you had ADHD children, as we have, you would know better. For the record, we have spent thousands of hours and many tens of thousands of dollars helping our children succeed. It’s involved the best ADHD specialists we can find, the judicious use of medication, tutors and a dozen other accommodations. Does that sound like a selfish lifestyle to you? I have seen first hand the effects of both using and not using appropriate medication, and it can make a HUGE difference, not in the parents well being, but in the children’s success - I’ll be glad to go into detail if you like.

There is little in the world that irritates the parents who have clinically diagnosed ADHD children and have been through all the agony involved than having it dismissed as inquisitive or normally active children or telling some old story about 50 years ago “little Johnny would have been paddled by the principal and sent back to class and then everything would be fine”. That’s BS.

It IS a handicap and has been recognized as such by schools, colleges and college entrance exams. It is VERY difficult for both the children and the parents, but IF you take the time to understand the issues, get the best resources you can afford (and by the way, NOTHING is free, and children of parents who cannot afford those resources typically fail) and are willing to put a ton of energy into helping your child, then they can succeed. I point to my youngest son, whose disability was noticed as early as kindergarten, but, with our help, has a master’s degree from a major university and is a National Board certified teacher. When he was in a classroom with 20 learning disabled children after school one day and I was speaking with his teacher, she said “you see these 20 children? Maybe one will go to college”. I said: “mine WILL”, but what about the other 19? We can start by ignoring those old stereotypes like those you referenced and getting appropriate care for ALL children with a disability, whether it’s ADHD or Autism.

Sorry for the soapbox and the off-topic rant, but those types of ill informed stereotypes just piss me off. And if you know where there is some “free” help for parents like myself, please post those sources.

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May 29, 2020 16:52:40   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
I truly hope that you’re not equating autism with ADHD or implying that parents that get medical help and perhaps medication for children afflicted with ADHD or Autism are trying to “dull an inquisitive boy to being half dead and can be propped in a corner so as not to interrupt their selfish lifestyle”

I can’t speak directly to Autism, but let’s be clear that there is a big difference between Autism and ADHD. Let’s also be clear that ADHD is NOT the same as being inquisitive and let’s also be clear that medication can assist with the symptoms, and if properly prescribed, does not leave “dull children propped in a corner” if you had ADHD children, as we have, you would know better. For the record, we have spent thousands of hours and many tens of thousands of dollars helping our children succeed. It’s involved the best ADHD specialists we can find, the judicious use of medication, tutors and a dozen other accommodations. Does that sound like a selfish lifestyle to you? I have seen first hand the effects of both using and not using appropriate medication, and it can make a HUGE difference, not in the parents well being, but in the children’s success - I’ll be glad to go into detail if you like.

There is little in the world that irritates the parents who have clinically diagnosed ADHD children and have been through all the agony involved than having it dismissed as inquisitive or normally active children or telling some old story about 50 years ago “little Johnny would have been paddled by the principal and sent back to class and then everything would be fine”. That’s BS.

It IS a handicap and has been recognized as such by schools, colleges and college entrance exams. It is VERY difficult for both the children and the parents, but IF you take the time to understand the issues, get the best resources you can afford (and by the way, NOTHING is free, and children of parents who cannot afford those resources typically fail) and are willing to put a ton of energy into helping your child, then they can succeed. I point to my youngest son, whose disability was noticed as early as kindergarten, but, with our help, has a master’s degree from a major university and is a National Board certified teacher. When he was in a classroom with 20 learning disabled children after school one day and I was speaking with his teacher, she said “you see these 20 children? Maybe one will go to college”. I said: “mine WILL”, but what about the other 19? We can start by ignoring those old stereotypes like those you referenced and getting appropriate care for ALL children with a disability, whether it’s ADHD or Autism.

Sorry for the soapbox and the off-topic rant, but those types of ill informed stereotypes just piss me off. And if you know where there is some “free” help for parents like myself, please post those sources.
I truly hope that you’re not equating autism with ... (show quote)


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May 29, 2020 17:15:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
TriX wrote:
I truly hope that you’re not equating autism with ADHD or implying that parents that get medical help and perhaps medication for children afflicted with ADHD or Autism are trying to “dull an inquisitive boy to being half dead and can be propped in a corner so as not to interrupt their selfish lifestyle”

I can’t speak directly to Autism, but let’s be clear that there is a big difference between Autism and ADHD. Let’s also be clear that ADHD is NOT the same as being inquisitive and let’s also be clear that medication can assist with the symptoms, and if properly prescribed, does not leave “dull children propped in a corner” if you had ADHD children, as we have, you would know better. For the record, we have spent thousands of hours and many tens of thousands of dollars helping our children succeed. It’s involved the best ADHD specialists we can find, the judicious use of medication, tutors and a dozen other accommodations. Does that sound like a selfish lifestyle to you? I have seen first hand the effects of both using and not using appropriate medication, and it can make a HUGE difference, not in the parents well being, but in the children’s success - I’ll be glad to go into detail if you like.

There is little in the world that irritates the parents who have clinically diagnosed ADHD children and have been through all the agony involved than having it dismissed as inquisitive or normally active children or telling some old story about 50 years ago “little Johnny would have been paddled by the principal and sent back to class and then everything would be fine”. That’s BS.

It IS a handicap and has been recognized as such by schools, colleges and college entrance exams. It is VERY difficult for both the children and the parents, but IF you take the time to understand the issues, get the best resources you can afford (and by the way, NOTHING is free, and children of parents who cannot afford those resources typically fail) and are willing to put a ton of energy into helping your child, then they can succeed. I point to my youngest son, whose disability was noticed as early as kindergarten, but, with our help, has a master’s degree from a major university and is a National Board certified teacher. When he was in a classroom with 20 learning disabled children after school one day and I was speaking with his teacher, she said “you see these 20 children? Maybe one will go to college”. I said: “mine WILL”, but what about the other 19? We can start by ignoring those old stereotypes like those you referenced and getting appropriate care for ALL children with a disability, whether it’s ADHD or Autism.

Sorry for the soapbox and the off-topic rant, but those types of ill informed stereotypes just piss me off. And if you know where there is some “free” help for parents like myself, please post those sources.
I truly hope that you’re not equating autism with ... (show quote)


If you notice ADHD has virtually disappeared and been replaced by autism. I see claims that 1 in 54 have autism. Growing up in a period of 30 youthful years I NEVER saw an autistic person and I met hundreds of families in that time. Not a single autistic person in those thousands.
I repeat autism as a diagnosis is purely to get welfare because ADHD did not qualify. NO way 1 in 54 have it.

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May 29, 2020 17:36:07   #
polonois Loc: Lancaster County,PA.
 
jackm1943 wrote:
So, that means that since I take Eliquis I can't get C19?


Wow, I take Eliquis and Plavics both, plus a baby aspirin I must be super immune. Maybe I can sell my blood and buy a full frame camera.

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May 29, 2020 17:46:35   #
DocDav Loc: IN
 
Architect1776 wrote:
If you notice ADHD has virtually disappeared and been replaced by autism. I see claims that 1 in 54 have autism. Growing up in a period of 30 youthful years I NEVER saw an autistic person and I met hundreds of families in that time. Not a single autistic person in those thousands.
I repeat autism as a diagnosis is purely to get welfare because ADHD did not qualify. NO way 1 in 54 have it.


No. You are wrong in your assumptions. Yes the current estimated rate is 1:54. That is due to now labeling it being on the (Autistic ) Spectrum. By removing the stigma, we are able to lable correctly children who otherwise would go unlabeled and be called Strange, Weird, or other names but ultimately would be left behind by the educational system.

ADHD has remained pretty stable at about 11% of the American Children.

30 years ago you did know Autistic Children. They weren't labeled but were the kids your mother tried to get you to avoid because they were "different" and "a bad influence". Your words are biased, in my opinion, and hateful as well as damaging to others.

Autism does not qualify you automatically for welfare. No one is stealing your tax dollars. Autism "may" qualify one for assistance. You can't claim it and just go get welfare. I know plenty of children AND adults with Autism and / or ADHD who function well in our world. They hold jobs. Some, very demanding educationally and they do well. Then again, you do normally write things meant to inflame and tend towards that. I assume, as always, your response will be to call me looser or similar. Badge of honor.

Education is the Medicine which can change our world views.

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May 29, 2020 17:58:16   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
DocDav wrote:
No. You are wrong in your assumptions. Yes the current estimated rate is 1:54. That is due to now labeling it being on the (Autistic ) Spectrum. By removing the stigma, we are able to lable correctly children who otherwise would go unlabeled and be called Strange, Weird, or other names but ultimately would be left behind by the educational system.

ADHD has remained pretty stable at about 11% of the American Children.

30 years ago you did know Autistic Children. They weren't labeled but were the kids your mother tried to get you to avoid because they were "different" and "a bad influence". Your words are biased, in my opinion, and hateful as well as damaging to others.

Autism does not qualify you automatically for welfare. No one is stealing your tax dollars. Autism "may" qualify one for assistance. You can't claim it and just go get welfare. I know plenty of children AND adults with Autism and / or ADHD who function well in our world. They hold jobs. Some, very demanding educationally and they do well. Then again, you do normally write things meant to inflame and tend towards that. I assume, as always, your response will be to call me looser or similar. Badge of honor.

Education is the Medicine which can change our world views.
No. You are wrong in your assumptions. Yes the cu... (show quote)


As I said they want welfare and can only get it if called autistic.
It is all BS.

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