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May 29, 2020 10:24:22   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
The world has never suffered a shortage of assholes!

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May 29, 2020 10:34:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ottopj wrote:
The world has never suffered a shortage of assholes!


Yep! One per person.

By the way, did you know that the average person has one testicle?

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May 29, 2020 10:59:29   #
pendennis
 
letmedance wrote:
Iron Lungs were a familiar object to everyone that watched TV or read the Paper. Polio was the thing we feared the most, even at the age of 6 I was aware of it's danger and remember the news of the Vaccine and the rush to immunize.


I had a mild case, but my aunt, in 1952, suffered catastrophically, ending up as a quadriplegic, unable to exhale. Most folks believe that inability to breath means no inhalation, but breathing is a two way exercise. She used an iron lung, had one in her home until they became obsolete. Later, she had a surgical procedure, a tracheostomy which allowed the use of a respirator.

I likely developed antibodies, but I was in the first elementary school to be vaccinated.

The memories of visiting her at the Louisville General Hospital, and seeing people in iron lungs, on chest respirators, and other devices, is still most vivid in my 73 year-old mind.

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May 29, 2020 11:05:02   #
pendennis
 
Bill 45 wrote:
I was in 3th grader at the time. I was giving the real thing, no placebo. there was three shots giving and all three were giving over a two years time?. I still have a card which is a record of the three shoots. (Now can I find that card, it here someplace.). yes I remember the horror of it, seeing kids in iron lung, wheelchairs and braces on their legs. That is one of those a person does not forget after 65+ years.


I got the first inoculation in the 2nd grade, and I believe two more (the third was a "booster") were spread out over at least a year. The first vaccines were given in the schools. My photo was taken by the Courier Journal, and printed the next day. The second was given when people went to the old Armory on weekends. The third was given in our family doctor's office.

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May 29, 2020 11:13:07   #
Bill 45
 
NJphotodoc wrote:
As a Family Practice doc, my response to these anti-VAX posts are that they are all BS. I've been asked to sign off on school forms from anti-Vax parents and refused because I don't want to have kids fall ill due to their parent's stupidity. Vaccinations work and hopefully we will have a valid vaccine for Coronavirus but
unlike illnesses like measles, mumps, etc, we do not yet have a vaccine for COVID-19 and anyone who thinks Trump has a solution or treatment, then maybe you do deserve to fall ill. COVID-19 is a virus.
COVID-19 has no intelligence nor does it respect race, gender or age. Poor and rich have, can, and will be at risk for catching and dying from this illness. The best way at least for now to minimize the risk of falling ill is to avoid contact with someone who does carry the virus. That means stay at home, wear a mask when you do have to go out, wash your hands when you do gt home and don' be an idiot and go to the beach, a party, or similar venue where there's a good chance that someone may be asymptomatic but still have the virus and pass it on to you
As a Family Practice doc, my response to these ant... (show quote)


Give them hell Doc! We need more people like you.

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May 29, 2020 11:18:47   #
foodie65
 
pshane wrote:
Curious, - Why this article on a Photography Forum? - (altho the info is appreciated, but still - - )


It's posted in the chit chat section which hosts all kinds of non photo topics

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May 29, 2020 11:29:05   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Ysarex wrote:
I am constantly shocked and aghast at how these anti-vaccine folks can be so fundamentally wrong over and over again! Covid isn't a bacterium. It's alien nanites and all those who don't die are being transformed into slaves of our new supreme overlord Tourg.



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May 29, 2020 11:36:26   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
One of the problems that anti-vaxxers have, and many other similar groups, is that they are a closed society within themselves and spread all kinds of misinformation among themselves, gullibly believing all of it because it fits their agendas. Taking an aspirin to counteract Covid-19 fits the anti-vaxxers agenda much better than taking a vaccine to prevent it.

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May 29, 2020 11:39:31   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SteveR wrote:
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I get her postings on fb. The last one which she forwarded is posted below. It kind of blew my mind. The first proposition is that Covid-19 is NOT a virus but a bacteria. It gets better from there.

🤔🤔🤔 (interesting 🤔 anyone else heard this?!?) Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily
treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.
Another article regarding it:
Carlie J Gardipee 2020
Coronavirus / Health
Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot.
The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers
“THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later."
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Note that in one place the post calls Covid-19 a bacteria but in a later paragraph refers to it as a virus.
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I ... (show quote)


These people never suffered through polio, small pox or many other maladies that vaccines have eliminated for the most part.

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May 29, 2020 11:44:18   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
SteveR wrote:
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I get her postings on fb. The last one which she forwarded is posted below. It kind of blew my mind. The first proposition is that Covid-19 is NOT a virus but a bacteria. It gets better from there.

🤔🤔🤔 (interesting 🤔 anyone else heard this?!?) Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's \"law\" that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as \"healthy\" and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for \"crimes against humanity\" for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily
treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.
Another article regarding it:
Carlie J Gardipee 2020
Coronavirus / Health
Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot.
The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers
“THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later."
Copy and pasted

Note that in one place the post calls Covid-19 a bacteria but in a later paragraph refers to it as a virus.
A cousin's daughter is an avout anti-vaxxer and I ... (show quote)


Thank you for the heads-up and I will be listening for further updates from the CDC and associated communities on this topic. All I know is what I see currently and this is encouraging as you mentioned,regardless of its' origins and I hope they resolve it quickly. Thanks again.

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May 29, 2020 11:52:51   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SteveR wrote:
One of the problems that anti-vaxxers have, and many other similar groups, is that they are a closed society within themselves and spread all kinds of misinformation among themselves, gullibly believing all of it because it fits their agendas. Taking an aspirin to counteract Covid-19 fits the anti-vaxxers agenda much better than taking a vaccine to prevent it.


It's so sad. Anytime anyone gets news or other information from just one source, without cross-checking and fact-checking and just THINKING about it, they're living under a rock.

It's like I tell my kids, the same thing my college professors told me: If an article does not cite recognized primary sources, it's suspect at best.

In the case of Covid 19, a primary source would be a world-recognized research group, with double-blind tested, peer-reviewed studies to prove their points are true. A social media article, a Fox news story, a YouTube video, a CNN clip, or an article in the local newspaper may or may not be true, but more than likely it has been influenced by a political party or another entity with an axe to grind.

Unfortunately, we live in an era where "facts" may be weaponized fiction. Question Authority was a popular bumper sticker in the 1960s and '70s. It's still a valid sentiment. But now, it's probably wise to question MULTIPLE authorities about the same topic or issue!

Ignorance is not bliss. It is dangerous.

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May 29, 2020 11:55:59   #
Bill 45
 
jerryc41 wrote:
My wife received a card designating her a "Polio Pioneer" when she got the shot in the 1950s.


Jerryc41: I have found the card I was talking about dealing with polio On the top is the following: "Poliomyelitis Vaccination Record" under that is the following: "1955 Vaccine Program"
Than are the following questions: County -- State -- Name of Child -- Address -- Age -- Sex -- Grade -- School
Parental Request Received- Yes
"Dates of vaccine inoculations" First : not dated , Second: 9-16-55., Third: 3-11-57 All three dates are signal by a doctor.
Now let the anti-vaxxers tell me that it fake history.

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May 29, 2020 12:10:38   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Bill 45 wrote:
Jerryc41: I have found the card I was talking about dealing with polio On the top is the following: "Poliomyelitis Vaccination Record" under that is the following: "1955 Vaccine Program"
Than are the following questions: County -- State -- Name of Child -- Address -- Age -- Sex -- Grade -- School
Parental Request Received- Yes
"Dates of vaccine inoculations" First : not dated , Second: 9-16-55., Third: 3-11-57 All three dates are signal by a doctor.
Now let the anti-vaxxers tell me that it fake history.
Jerryc41: I have found the card I was talking abou... (show quote)


I got the Salk vaccines as well, starting somewhere around ‘55. People today (and certainly anti-vaxers) have no idea the misery and terror that Polio caused for parents. Some families that could left town for the mountains when there was an outbreak, swimming pools were closed, and the newsreels at the beginning of movies were filled with picture (in B&W) of children in iron lungs.

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May 29, 2020 12:48:31   #
Bill 45
 
If someone wants to known why FDR's face on a dime. He had polio and was a big pusher to put a end to polio. I think he got the "March of Dime" going. The "March of Dime" was for to raise money to fight polio. When FDR die his face was put on a dime to remember him and the fight aganist polio. IT will be ten years after his dead before polio is stop.

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May 29, 2020 12:52:41   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Bill 45 wrote:
If someone wants to known why FDR's face on a dime. He had polio and was a big pusher to put a end to polio. I think he got the "March of Dime" going. The "March of Dime" was for to raise money to fight polio. When FDR die his face was put on a dime to remember him and the fight aganist polio. IT will be ten years after his dead before polio is stop.


Interesting!!!!

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