Coronavirus rules affect everybody . ..
May 25, 2020 16:01:52 #
You have succeeded in taking Ben Franklin's quote out of context. Wearing a facemask during a pandemic is being a good citizen and a responsible person. I'm going to guess your mom taught you to cover your face when you cough or sneeze. Do you consider that act of civility to be an infringement of your freedom. I'm also going to guess that you obey traffic laws. You understand traffic laws are for public safety. No on is preventing you from voting or acting on your constitutional rights.
May 25, 2020 16:12:25 #
Covid 19 is far more contagious then influenza. The death rate associated with Covid 19 is much higher then Influenza. It is estimated that during the 1917-1918 influenza pandemic about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States. Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic. Are you prepared to deal with that rate of mortality?
May 25, 2020 18:05:37 #
fetzler
Loc: North West PA
rehess wrote:
We had a vaccine against the swine flu. Even with ‘shutting down’ the country - and traffic to neither Mexico nor Canada - we have exceeded 80K deaths in much less time.
1. in 2009 there was no vaccine for Swine Flu.
2. Swine flue infected about 1 billion people
3. about 300,000 people died.
4 nothing was shut down.
5. The death toll numbers for COVID may be misleading. If someone dies now there is a financial incentive to check the COVID box even if the physician does not think the cause of death is COVID. In a number of places politicians sent COVID patients to nursing homes where they infected others who were already in poor health. In this instance politicians caused these deaths.
May 25, 2020 19:01:00 #
singleshot
Loc: Georgia
Salomj9850 wrote:
You have succeeded in taking Ben Franklin's quote out of context. Wearing a facemask during a pandemic is being a good citizen and a responsible person. I'm going to guess your mom taught you to cover your face when you cough or sneeze. Do you consider that act of civility to be an infringement of your freedom. I'm also going to guess that you obey traffic laws. You understand traffic laws are for public safety. No on is preventing you from voting or acting on your constitutional rights.
Franklin's quote is timeless and of everlasting value regardless of the setting in which it was delivered.. You also are free to relinquish any or all of your personal freedoms, stay locked in your home, shun your friends and family in your effort to remain safe, but you cannot force others to do the same, as per our constitutional rights. Nor should anyone want to.
May 25, 2020 19:45:23 #
Covid 19 is far more contagious and lethal then Influenza. Covid has only been on the scene since January 2020 and the number of deaths in the U.S. alone is 100K. If the models hold true there could be more deaths then the 300k caused by the swine flu. The question you need to answer is how your going to deal with preventable deaths from this pandemic. How are you going to explain it to your family if one of their loved ones dies because people refuse to social distance or take other sensible precautions.
May 25, 2020 20:19:00 #
May 25, 2020 22:58:24 #
fetzler wrote:
1. in 2009 there was no vaccine for Swine Flu.
I wonder why the CDC still has {historical} pages entitled "2009 H1N1 Vaccination Recommendations"
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/acip.htm
May 25, 2020 23:11:53 #
fetzler wrote:
1. in 2009 there was no vaccine for Swine Flu.
2. Swine flue infected about 1 billion people
3. about 300,000 people died.
4 nothing was shut down.
2. Swine flue infected about 1 billion people
3. about 300,000 people died.
4 nothing was shut down.
I'm not sure where your figures come from.
From the CDC, we have "From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus."
12,469 deaths in 12 months is much less than Covid-19.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
May 26, 2020 02:31:57 #
laf wrote:
My reply to unmasked people: DON'T LIKE THE MASK? YOU WILL HATE THE VENTILATOR.
Don’t reply like that to me. I don’t suffer fools or self-righteous sissies well.
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