Covid19 (Page 6): I have to be with Architect on this one. If you have a health condition where contracting the flu or COVID would be very serious then seal yourself into your plastic...

fetzler Loc: North West PA

Architect1776 wrote:

Then hide in your basement.
It is NOT about you.
The rest of us have no obligation to destroy our lives, economy and families for you.
Your obligation is to get out of the way and stay home and hide.
99% of us do not need to be ruled by greedy old sick people.
We have lives as well and that does not include you.
So stay home and do not come out. And remember the flu kills more old sick people every year so do not dare come out during flu season either.

I have to be with Architect on this one.

If you have a health condition where contracting the flu or COVID would be very serious then seal yourself into your plastic bubble for the rest of your life. You are in control of you. You probably. shouldn't go to a nursing home as the government will see that you become infected.

We have to recognize that 17 million people die of infectious diseases each year. The world does not shut down for these 17 million. COVID has killed about the same number of folks who die in a bad flu season. We need to recognize that we cannot totally prevent people from dying.

We now need to consider have to consider the folks that will die or be significantly damaged by the government shut down. It has been suggested that 30-50,000 in the US will die of delayed treatment of cancer. There will likely be at least this number who die from suicide. We then to consider the hundreds of millions of people throughout the world that will be driven into homelessness, starvation and extreme poverty. There are even more things but I hope you get the idea. I already know someone that has lost their car, job and house. His family now faces life on the street.

Is it reasonable for you to be spared at the expense of millions?

At present there is no vaccine for any Corona virus disease. I know people are working on this and they may be lucky. On the other hand they may not have luck. Folks have been working on an HIV vaccine for 40 years. We might just be waiting for Godot. (Read the play if you have been deprived thus far). When I was small there were no vaccines for measles and polio. My parents did did not ask the world to shut down for me.

In my experience and reading, I have learned the government is the leading cause of premature death. Set America free or the Americans may set themselves free.

cameranut Loc: North Carolina

Cykdelic wrote:

Not really....they are still in the phased approach.

Also, like many states they are testing more so more cases is expected....NC is still testing at only 7% positive, and the science says keeping it at 10% or under is a major hurdle point (right now,I believe every state and territory of the U.S. is at or below 10%, but I could have heard this incorrectly).

In short, the curves HAVE flattened as hospitals are NOT overrun.

It depends on how you look at the graph. If you pick it up and turn it sideways, it's flatter.
The fact that they are doing more testing doesn't change the numbers. It just proves what we already know or suspect: that more people have or carry than we originally thought. In NC the numbers are going up by no less than 400 per day, and that is in ADDITION to the cases already tested positive. 2 percent testing means that 98% have not been tested.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

DocDav wrote:

family violence I agree with. I have not seen sta... (show quote)

You need to dig and and research both the expected increase in suicides v. COVID and the expected devastation worldwide on children due to COVID (starvation and other diseases).

Also, if you look at the data you should conclude that our experience in the U.S. with this virus has so far been comparable but less severe than heavily populated European nations and outside of the Northeast, the comparison between this virus and the flu is valid despite what the media tells us.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

BigDen wrote:

Obesity is a hormonal disease and many of the other afflictions you mention follow from it. Shaming people who are obese just displays one’s own ignorance.

To me your statement shows ignorance. Don’t use outliers to proffer an argument. Why didn’t these “hormonal diseases “ exist when I was young or the generations that proceeded me. It started when Americans decided it was a good idea to purchase a good portion of their diets from “windows”. My sister is morbidly obese. I am 71, very fit and have never taken prescriptions. Same gene pool different behaviors. Don’t rationalize behaviors that exponentially drive up medical costs and place one at risk.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

cameranut wrote:

It depends on how you look at the graph. If you pick it up and turn it sideways, it's flatter.
The fact that they are doing more testing doesn't change the numbers. It just proves what we already know or suspect: that more people have or carry than we originally thought. In NC the numbers are going up by no less than 400 per day, and that is in ADDITION to the cases already tested positive. 2 percent testing means that 98% have not been tested.

Uh....no. I will stand behind Dr. Birx on this who went through the data in detail late last week for all to see and She was clear on the goal of the shutdowns.

Yes, the goal was to flatten the curve, NOT to eliminate the disease.
Yes, the curve has flattened.
Yes, as we test more we expect more cases.
Yes, by keeping the positive rate at 10% or under we are flattening it.

DocDav Loc: IN

Cykdelic wrote:

You need to dig and and research both the expected increase in suicides v. COVID and the expected devastation worldwide on children due to COVID (starvation and other diseases).

Also, if you look at the data you should conclude that our experience in the U.S. with this virus has so far been comparable but less severe than heavily populated European nations and outside of the Northeast, the comparison between this virus and the flu is valid despite what the media tells us.

medically there is no way to compare this virus to a flu. It is not what the media tells us, it is medical fact. We can disagree on many things about this mess, and we can do that reasonably, but I am in medicine and perhaps read things you do not have access to, but regardless, that comparison is not valid. The R0 and the fatality rates do not compare on an per capital basis. I admit it may be another 4 or so years to have accurate numbers, but so far, no comparrison.

Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio

BigDen wrote:

Everything we do is a risk. Some are riskier than others, but they are all part of living our lives. Even staying isolated has risks. Consider the increase in suicide and family violence that has occurred since lockdown.

No one is disputing that, can't you see that??

What is a problem for me and about 95% of the people who read your and architect's posts, is that your risks, that you choose to take will affect you and I for one don't care if you two go out and kill yourself. What we all care about here is when your stupid risk taking directly affects the rest of us and our children or elderly relatives.

Then your stupid risk taking has gone a step too far and that is when everyone will want to come down on you and crush you in your place, did I just flower that too much?

So take all the risks you wish but don't dare put me and my family in danger because you want your freedom to take risks. You have no right to put others at risk, just like you feel no one has the right to tell you to stay in your place. You two are the kind of people that feel it is impossible to drink 8 cups of water a day, yet 8 beers and 6 shots in 3 hours go down like a fat kid on a see-saw.

CWGordon

It seems the cult members always want to “shame” people for wanting to minimize their risk. I think the people who do the shaming merely want to transfer their blame and shame to others. Really, not wearing a mask is not about rights, but about their not caring about anyone, but themselves. I want and do go out. I wear a mask in Home Depot and other public places. It irritates me how many selfish, self-centered people really don’t care about their community at large. They just justify their own irresponsibility by try ing to twist and turn around the beliefs, health, and welfare of others so they can deflect blame and feel self-righteous about their own dangerous conduct.

Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio

Architect1776 wrote:

The old and sick are greedy self centered snobs. b... (show quote)

Funny how some people seem to have the whole six pack, yet they lack that little plastic thingy that holds it all together. Reading your posts it is evident that the barrier is down, the bells are ringing and the red lights are flashing, however, your train just does not seem to be coming along....

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

John_F wrote:

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"Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored 'the rules.'You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, 'I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do.'

"With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.

"Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

"The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

"All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

"#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!"

Written by Anonymous. Copied from a friend and shared.

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Powerful post. I have wondered many times why we see so many images of people in places from the Orient wearing masks all the time when they are in public places.

hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico

John_F wrote:

Sharing

"Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored 'the rules.'You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, 'I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do.'

"With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.

"Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

"The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

"All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

"#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!"

Written by Anonymous. Copied from a friend and shared.

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A very stark reality of life in the near future(far future also?), until science can get a handle on this deadly bug.

CWGordon

Gee, Architect:
I guess the older folks should be willing to just lie down and die, so you can guzzle your beer, not wear a mask, and continue to insult people who might not agree with your radical, far right, beliefs. Hard to believe you served in the military and never figured out why a military is necessary.

hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico

BobHartung wrote:

Most of these 'flu' strains die out during the warm summer months and then resurface in the following winter. We will see.

Covid-19 is NOT a flu.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Covid-19-a-strain-of-influenza?share=1

DocDav Loc: IN

CWGordon wrote:

Gee, Architect:
I guess the older folks should be willing to just lie down and die, so you can guzzle your beer, not wear a mask, and continue to insult people who might not agree with your radical, far right, beliefs. Hard to believe you served in the military and never figured out why a military is necessary.

Well said.

BigDen Loc: Alberta, Canada

Effate wrote:

To me your statement shows ignorance. Don’t use o... (show quote)

Read “The Obesity Code” by Dr. Jason Fung and watch videos by the same doctor and by Dr. Eric Berg and other medical professionals. Read the comments related to those videos. Then come back here and apologize for your rude and ignorant comments.