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May 25, 2020 14:19:47   #
skylinefirepest Loc: Southern Pines, N.C.
 
Rehess...I would presume so but I didn't make notes as to who was saying it. I've found that the "facts and numbers" change frequently and there seems to be a lack of real information.

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May 25, 2020 14:30:40   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Longshadow wrote:
Wow, did they open recently?


Not really....they are still in the phased approach.

Also, like many states they are testing more so more cases is expected....NC is still testing at only 7% positive, and the science says keeping it at 10% or under is a major hurdle point (right now,I believe every state and territory of the U.S. is at or below 10%, but I could have heard this incorrectly).

In short, the curves HAVE flattened as hospitals are NOT overrun.

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May 25, 2020 14:40:02   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
saxman71 wrote:
I see this flu argument as a disingenuous twisting of statistics. A google search will reveal 389K people reportedly died from the flu world-wide in 2019. To date, in essentially a four month period, COVID-19 has reportedly killed 345K. Beyond a hope and a prayer, is there any reason to believe COVID-19 won't continue to spread at the same rate over the remaining eight months of 2020 as it did during the first four months? Especially if we abandon all preventative measures. If it does it will result in a death toll of over 1 million people world-wide. And the US will lead the way in deaths, as it currently does now, due to our anemic early response and our "live free or die" mentality.
I see this flu argument as a disingenuous twisting... (show quote)



Yes, there is, if one listens to the experts and other doctors working on it.

We now know a hell of a lot more about it then we did 4 months ago..... the biggest thing was finally getting the sequencing.

We now know that the curve was flattened and not only were hospitals NOT overrun, we actually had too many hospital beds AND we sadly furloughed thousands of healthcare workers around the nation.

We now know the panic upfront was, indeed, panic and we never needed the hundreds of thousands of ventilators that were being screamed for.

We now know that long term health facilities are epicenters of the spread and, like FLA and TX, should have been protected upfront and early.

We now know that the disease is harshest on the very old, especially with comorbidities, and is only slightly affecting the young (18 and under).

We now know that when statistical sampling has been used the death rates is close to, if not the exact same, as the yearly flu.

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May 25, 2020 14:41:08   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
CWGordon wrote:
Architect1776:
Why are you always looking to say something rude to people?


Look at some of the more-than-rude responses to him and you’ll have a clue.

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May 25, 2020 14:42:52   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
ntonkin wrote:
Excellent!!!
It is really unfortunate that there are so many ignorant and extremely selfish people in our society.


How about the experts opinion that the shutdown has killed as many as the COVID itself???????

Wake up and open your mind other opinions and observations. Confirmation bias solves nothing.

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May 25, 2020 14:43:19   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
williejoha wrote:
If a store refuses to bring the item ordered out to the curb, then I don’t need the item. There are plenty alternatives where I live. Thank God. All stay well
WJH


EXCELLENT. Attitude!😎

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May 25, 2020 14:43:55   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
BigDen wrote:
Obesity is a hormonal disease and many of the other afflictions you mention follow from it. Shaming people who are obese just displays one’s own ignorance.


Not every case.....some is just excess.

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May 25, 2020 14:49:09   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
rehess wrote:
But nothing else today presents the risks this virus does!


Please remember that h1n1 affected 60 million Americans....clearly it killed around 18000 (per the CDC), but the low death count can be attributed to things such as its having been harshest on children (who have less comorbidities) and governors didn’t send the infected into long term care facilities.

This particular COVID is new, there is no herd immunity yet, and we have been forced to depend on mitigation techniques until a series of therapies and vaccines are developed ALONG with herd immunity.

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May 25, 2020 14:50:40   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
rehess wrote:
I am not “isolated” - that is normally only for known cases of disease. I don’t know how much Canada has ‘opened’ so far, but no US state is still ‘locked down’. Even under the strictest reduction, we were still communicating with others.


You can parse definitions all you want, but he is correct that there has been severe increases in suicide and family violence since lockdown. And, to be clear, it has been a lockdown and it’s mostly still in place.

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May 25, 2020 14:53:33   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
cameranut wrote:
There is, always has been, and will continue to be those living an unhealthy lifestyle. Some of it is avoidable such as drinking, smoking, etc., while some of it is genetic. Those with "underlying health issues" might still be alive today if this virus hadn't found it's way into their lives. This virus does not discriminate! It does not care about your previous health, race, nationality, religion, political affiliation, age, etc. Children are getting Covid 19 but are having different symptoms than adults. No one is immune.
There is, always has been, and will continue to be... (show quote)


Something like 99.996% of all COVID deaths are over 18 years of age, and Covid-19 is hard on the elderly, with those 65 and older accounting for 80% of the U.S. deaths from the disease.

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May 25, 2020 14:56:10   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Jerry Coupe wrote:
In reports I have seen both print and television, overall there is a flattening of the curve of new infections. Digging a bit into the data, NY has dropped significantly. IF you take NY out of the data, the curve is still rising dramatically.

I suspect in the new 7-10 days after this weekend, we will see a new upward spike in the new cases curve. Folks just don't want to listen or pay attention. This pandemic is not normal flu and it is deadly as well.


According to Dr. Birx last week we have flattened the curve, every state is at a 10% or below positive rate, and the increases in cases are due to significantly increased testing.

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May 25, 2020 15:26:18   #
DocDav Loc: IN
 
John_F wrote:
Sharing

"Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, you’re diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, you’ve been unaware that you were infected and you’ve ignored 'the rules.'You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, 'I don’t feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do.'

"With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then you’re well again because you’re young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, he’s dead.

"Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, he’s in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

"The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. She’s not as lucky as you, so she’s admitted to the hospital because she’s having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

"All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

"#SocialDistancing = It’s not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!"

Written by Anonymous. Copied from a friend and shared.
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well said. too many ignore.

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May 25, 2020 15:31:04   #
DocDav Loc: IN
 
BobHartung wrote:
Good post. It is too bad that there are those who just cannot understand any of the tenets of public health!


i point to Architect1776 as one who feels nothing applies to him, and all else are, in his words, Looser. Apparently he served, and no one else has any valid opinion. That's the problem. Each person, such as Architect1776 , feels we are taking his rights.

1. With rights, come responsibilities. You do not get one without the other.
2. You do not have a right to go into a store or say, my office, without a mask. You do not own the store. You do not own my office.
3. I assume you drive drunk, and without a seat belt, as it is, you feel, your right?

We cannot fix stupid. We cannot fix those who feel they are "patriots" when they are simply little petulant boys refusing to participate in a society. I ignore them. And, I do not treat them medically in my office. Not without a mask.

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May 25, 2020 15:32:28   #
Salomj9850
 
Hit the nail on the head.

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May 25, 2020 15:33:54   #
DocDav Loc: IN
 
Cykdelic wrote:
You can parse definitions all you want, but he is correct that there has been severe increases in suicide and family violence since lockdown. And, to be clear, it has been a lockdown and it’s mostly still in place.


family violence I agree with. I have not seen statistics on suicide. Do you have any? Regardless, and while that is a tragedy, it pales in comparison to the virus without having had the shut down. Now we are "out", or coming out, and the bimodal "bump" will be seen. The shut down was necessary in my opinion, the gov't handling of it and the damage it did was obscene. They were not prepared to help those who needed financial help and that stimulus was paltry and tied up in politics.

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