Pastor Commits Suicide (Page 6): Do you accept the science or not? Learning is a marathon and not a sprint.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Jade Warrior wrote:

Get to your point

Do you accept the science or not?

Learning is a marathon and not a sprint.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Jade Warrior wrote:

Perhaps that is also the case with Chinese workers working in factories producing Apple products.

couldn't tell ya, and I don't own any apple products.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

LWW wrote:

What gets me is that the self proclaimed open minded free thinkers typically never put any thought into things at all.

If they admit the existence of a Creator they have to dismiss their wanted belief that they are the highest form of consciousness in creation ... a falsehood they cling to like a hobo with a hot ham sandwich.

So, you embrace both the big bang theory, and creation. "Very interesting" (Arte Johnson quote).

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

thom w wrote:

So, you embrace both the big bang theory, and creation. "Very interesting" (Arte Johnson quote).

So you confess you have no knowledge of the science.

The BBT was developed by a Catholic priest.

Einstein rejected the BBT, until Hubble verified it, because he claimed it required a Creator.

Einstein even intentionally buggered the math to make it ‘go away.’

Are you aware of what the definition of supernatural is?

Supernatural comes from the Latin word supernaturalis, meaning beyond nature. The adjective form of supernatural describes anything that pertains to or is caused by something that can't be explained by the laws of nature.

Now being that nature, time, space, energy and matter did not exist ... the universe itself is, in fact, due to a supernatural event.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/leading-figures/priest-invented-big-bang/amp/

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-lost-theory-describes-a-universe-without-a-big-bang

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/supernatural

skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA

I kind of prefer the final scene from Men In Black. It really emphasizes our insignificance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOVUF-HaDw

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

LWW wrote:

So you confess you have no knowledge of the scienc... (show quote)

Maybe they should read the book of Enoch truly eye opening

Jade Warrior Loc: Sydney, Australia

LWW wrote:

There we go.

Now, step two, if you accept the Big Bang it dictates that we live in a determinist universe where the entirety of history was set in motion at that moment an every atom is on a course dictated by that event.

Agreed?

If you believe that then you also believe that there is no such thing as freedom of thought. A human brain is a physical object and is only alive while there are electrical impulses moving within it. If the path of every atom is predestined by the Big Bang then each and every human thought is also predetermined. Many would struggle with this. I remain an agnostic.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Jade Warrior wrote:

If you believe that then you also believe that there is no such thing as freedom of thought. A human brain is a physical object and is only alive while there are electrical impulses moving within it. If the path of every atom is predestined by the Big Bang then each and every human thought is also predetermined. Many would struggle with this. I remain an agnostic.

You are getting somewhere now, although you are beginning to deny your faith in science as it is revealing inconvenient truths to you.

The science dictates a determinist universe. How did you come to these conclusions in spite of the the science?

What exempted you from determinism? Your only possibilities are that you are a mindless bot on an unchangeable course ... which would mean that no person is actually responsible for anything, in the absence of free will ... or something exempted your consciousness from determinism.

Furthermore quantum mechanics indicates that reality requires an observer and measurement for the probability wave to collapse into what is real.

Study Schrodinger”s cat for instance, or the photon and double slit experiment.

The Big Bang either did or didn’t happen, being that it obviously did ... who, or what, was the observer at the moment of creation?