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May 17, 2020 11:28:45   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Essential workers whether medical, 1st Responders, or Meat Packing plants could cause resurgence of unionism in our nation.

The President has demanded that meat processing plants remain open. Their work environment is fraught with dangerously crowded conditions. They could have better working conditions, will the plants implement them or will it take a union to demand the changes?

By forcing workers to go back, has Trump unwittingly planted the seed to regrown unionism in our nation?
Essential workers whether medical, 1st Responders,... (show quote)


The President hasn't demanded anything. More B.S. statements from Trump haters. He's declared it an essential business.

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May 17, 2020 11:51:28   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I suppose it would be easier to calculate that if we began with your experience.


Yep, Catholic schools rule! The sum of my experience still amazes me.

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May 17, 2020 12:29:59   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Essential workers whether medical, 1st Responders, or Meat Packing plants could cause resurgence of unionism in our nation.

The President has demanded that meat processing plants remain open. Their work environment is fraught with dangerously crowded conditions. They could have better working conditions, will the plants implement them or will it take a union to demand the changes?

By forcing workers to go back, has Trump unwittingly planted the seed to regrown unionism in our nation?
Essential workers whether medical, 1st Responders,... (show quote)


Depends on the place Artz. I didn't get furloughed and though I had the tools needed to telecommute my job requires my presence for over 60% of my tasks. Been at work every working day for the last 8 weeks. There will be no unionizing at my place.

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May 17, 2020 12:42:28   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
yhtomit wrote:
How many languages does our First Lady speak? How many languages do you speak besides the crap language?


Must be Zulu click language

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May 17, 2020 13:05:33   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Fotoartist wrote:
The President hasn't demanded anything. More B.S. statements from Trump haters. He's declared it an essential business.



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May 17, 2020 13:18:28   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Unions have destroyed more jobs than the Chinese flu could ever have hoped to do.


You are quite ignorant as to the past as well a present need for unions - not only wages but working conditions and safety came from unions - most all that they fought for and won for the workers is now covered by state and federal laws - retirement pensions were needed and fought for and are now replaced by 401Ks which can travel from one employer to another as some union ones did as long as you stayed in union jobs of that profession -by the way most of those meat possessors were union members and the union screamed like hell that the "TRAMP" wanted them to go back to work and spread the virus more - I remember when grocery clerks were required to get TB tests every year in CA - ya I am a retired union grocery clerk '54-'95 at the end of that 40 yr I was only 57 and had to have both knees replaced because of working conditions and have been comfortably covered by my pension fund as well as health coverage.- my father worked in Union Gold and silver mines for 25 yrs. the union did all the above for him. He worked as a union Cement finisher for 15 more yrs and had a good retirement. Yes - the worker Bees need organization too.

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May 17, 2020 14:07:15   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Unions have their place and have done great things but NOT in the public sector. That's why 'union' public construction is 'essential' in Washington State and non-union residential construction is not. Even though they both work to the same required safety standards. Public sector union employee landscaping is 'essential' and private sector is not. These are just two of many current examples. I could go on but it's become painfully obvious who has their hand in our Governor's pocket.

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May 17, 2020 14:12:46   #
foodie65
 
thom w wrote:
Funny, if I believed as they do, I would be more inclined to cast him as the anti Christ.



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May 17, 2020 14:27:26   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
skylane5sp wrote:
Unions have their place and have done great things but NOT in the public sector. That's why 'union' public construction is 'essential' in Washington State and non-union residential construction is not. Even though they both work to the same required safety standards. Public sector union employee landscaping is 'essential' and private sector is not. These are just two of many current examples. I could go on but it's become painfully obvious who has their hand in our Governor's pocket.


When you have jobs that truly need quality work for safety and durability it generally takes a person with good understanding, experience and skill to do the job - hence the apprenticeship time in most all unions that require such skills - welders, electrical workers, plumbers are just a few. Now we come to a real problem we have with immigrants - both legal and illegal- they work for less and usually do substandard work as they brought that lack of safe, quality as well as done to your expectations= I witnessed this over my 20 yrs of visiting and living in MX and watching their construction of homes as the resorts they built near our property a few miles south of Cancun - don't get me wrong some fellows were amazed at the reasons we required certain thing done our way.

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May 17, 2020 15:09:39   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Harvey wrote:
You are quite ignorant as to the past as well a present need for unions - not only wages but working conditions and safety came from unions - most all that they fought for and won for the workers is now covered by state and federal laws - retirement pensions were needed and fought for and are now replaced by 401Ks which can travel from one employer to another as some union ones did as long as you stayed in union jobs of that profession -by the way most of those meat possessors were union members and the union screamed like hell that the "TRAMP" wanted them to go back to work and spread the virus more - I remember when grocery clerks were required to get TB tests every year in CA - ya I am a retired union grocery clerk '54-'95 at the end of that 40 yr I was only 57 and had to have both knees replaced because of working conditions and have been comfortably covered by my pension fund as well as health coverage.- my father worked in Union Gold and silver mines for 25 yrs. the union did all the above for him. He worked as a union Cement finisher for 15 more yrs and had a good retirement. Yes - the worker Bees need organization too.
You are quite ignorant as to the past as well a pr... (show quote)


Unions are great for construction, but what about our educational system excluding janitors?

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May 17, 2020 15:23:19   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
yhtomit wrote:
Unions are great for construction, but what about our educational system excluding janitors?


That is a field that I feel needs protection for the teachers as well as for the education of the students -
Bad teacher need to be gotten rid of just like in any other profession - teachers need to be written up properly - for both good and bad performance by law and that takes time which most "management/school officials" do not take the time or have the time to do - just like any other union job- then the bad is backed up by the fact proper procedures have not been followed - I saw that happen many times in the stores I worked in.
Also teacher have the student just a few hours a day - teaching, learning, study habits fall on the parent more than that baby sitting teacher.

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May 17, 2020 15:56:22   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Harvey wrote:
When you have jobs that truly need quality work for safety and durability it generally takes a person with good understanding, experience and skill to do the job - hence the apprenticeship time in most all unions that require such skills - welders, electrical workers, plumbers are just a few. Now we come to a real problem we have with immigrants - both legal and illegal- they work for less and usually do substandard work as they brought that lack of safe, quality as well as done to your expectations= I witnessed this over my 20 yrs of visiting and living in MX and watching their construction of homes as the resorts they built near our property a few miles south of Cancun - don't get me wrong some fellows were amazed at the reasons we required certain thing done our way.
When you have jobs that truly need quality work fo... (show quote)

So you are inferring that quality, safety, understanding, experience and skills are not possible without a union?That is a total pantload.
What about welders or electricians or plumbers that attend a trade school? Are you saying that they are incompetent without a union?
I performed highly technical, critical, flight safety repairs on commercial aircraft avionics for decades without paying a union for the privilege of being employed.

Building codes are safely and competently complied with every day without unions.

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May 17, 2020 17:18:09   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
skylane5sp wrote:
So you are inferring that quality, safety, understanding, experience and skills are not possible without a union?That is a total pantload.

No way- I just know that many industry that skipped safety for profit at the cost worker arms, legs. lungs and lives. Quality work without union help depends on the individual's skills, knowledge and work ethics.

What about welders or electricians or plumbers that attend a trade school? Are you saying that they are incompetent without a union?

Again no way - trade schools don't give certificates of accomplishing a skill to drop outs and flunkers.

I think you are one of the fortunate- self motivated that find such a profession.


I performed highly technical, critical, flight safety repairs on commercial aircraft avionics for decades without paying a union for the privilege of being employed.

Building codes are safely and competently complied with every day without unions.
So you are inferring that quality, safety, underst... (show quote)

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May 17, 2020 19:37:02   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Harvey wrote:
You are quite ignorant as to the past as well a present need for unions - not only wages but working conditions and safety came from unions - most all that they fought for and won for the workers is now covered by state and federal laws - retirement pensions were needed and fought for and are now replaced by 401Ks which can travel from one employer to another as some union ones did as long as you stayed in union jobs of that profession -by the way most of those meat possessors were union members and the union screamed like hell that the "TRAMP" wanted them to go back to work and spread the virus more - I remember when grocery clerks were required to get TB tests every year in CA - ya I am a retired union grocery clerk '54-'95 at the end of that 40 yr I was only 57 and had to have both knees replaced because of working conditions and have been comfortably covered by my pension fund as well as health coverage.- my father worked in Union Gold and silver mines for 25 yrs. the union did all the above for him. He worked as a union Cement finisher for 15 more yrs and had a good retirement. Yes - the worker Bees need organization too.
You are quite ignorant as to the past as well a pr... (show quote)


I was a member of two locals when I started out in the Entertainment biz. Best thing I ever did for my career and wallet was when I quit both of them and went freelance. By my second year out, I literally doubled my yearly take home, and it continued to increase most every year throughout my career in that field.

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May 18, 2020 12:49:29   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
mjmoore17 wrote:
But some jobs do not need a lot of help to keep in business. Just the right sponsor and they can bring the whole family.


You are a disgusting individual.

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