Tex-s

The second half of your post is MY argument. As to slowing the spread, it's done. The medical system is not overwhelmed. The non-economy is. Time to get back to living our lives, providing a life for our kids and grandkids to come.

jhkfly

Hears what upsets me about this whole thing: we are constantly bombarded by news broadcasters and medical "experts" who stentoriously proclaim we are in the midst of the apocalypse with thousands upon thousands of Covid-19 deaths, yet the CDC's own recently released records seem to put to the lie such fear-mongering.

Note this: "COVID-19: No Impact on US Death Rate So Far in 2020

The CDC website says the average US death totals since 2015 from all causes has remained unchanged so far in 2020. That means the huge numbers of reported COVID-19 deaths either never happened or they were deaths from other causes mislabeled as COVID-19.

Hospital records show that almost all the COVID deaths were attributed to people with other medical condition. In New York, the 86%. of those who allegedly died of COVID-19, had other conditions that could have been the cause of death. The fact that the overall death rate did not increase proves that the pandemic is a hoax. [Incidentally, the same thing happened with the grossly false reporting of HIV deaths in Africa.] -GEG"

Source:

https://needtoknow.news/2020/05/covid-19-had-no-impact-on-us-death-rate-so-far-in-2020/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=covid-19-had-no-impact-on-us-death-rate-so-far-in-2020

CWGordon

Tex-s: As most medical/science types have said: This does not have to be a one or the other light switch kind of thing. EVERYONE wants to reopen. I know no one who does not. The REAL question is why we cannot do both at the same time. The white house has given guidance for reopening. Why do we need to go faster and less safely than the bare minimums (if even that) set by the current Administration? It is a falsehood that more cannot be done to ensure more lives are spared. The newest predictions are showing an “additional” 10,000 lives are likely to be lost by August, above previous estimates made even a week ago. I realize many folks don’t care about the lives that are being lost every day, much less any increases. Hey, if it does not affect them directly, then who cares about “others?” I am uncomfortable just “accepting” as “acceptable” so many lives lost/given away. Some who feel this way will eventually have some friends or family get this disease and some of these folks will die. Is this something, if this was someone you really cared about, would you feel the same or maybe change your attitudes?
I have never felt all that vulnerable. I am in great shape for my age - but, on the other hand have had two (2) Pulmonary Embolisms (lungs), am over 60 (well over), have Kidney function loss, etc etc. If someone, maybe you, would somehow come in contact with me and unknown to you had the disease and transferred the virus to me, you may well kill me. This is not a wild crazy example. This is happening all over our country in large numbers every day. If you found out through “trcing” that it was likely you gave me the disease which caused my death, how would you feel? Would it or would it not affect how you feel about the disease and the recommended safety protocols? Maybe it would not bother you. Heck, I am not someone you care about, probably don’t even like me; I am disagreeing with some of your beliefs and values, after all. What if you came home and gave it to a significant other, a child. What if they die? Look how many die each day, so not so far-fetched, is it? Worse, what if your disease kills you? As you lie in the hospital, knowing your short-term and undoubted future and death, would that give you pause to reconsider some of what you feel today?
You need not answer or respond. I only hope you will spend a little of your day or evening to consider...

CWGordon

jhkfly: I disagree with much of your premise, but:
If someone has a weak heart and you stab and kill them, is that not the cause of death? Will a jury take seriously your defense that “...aw, heck, he had a pre-condition, no big deal...”
This is a serious disease and we are just beginning to learn about what all this disease is about and the new death issues related, but now affecting younger folks and children. I only can hope you and others and your loved ones don’t get infected.

Tex-s

I don’t disagree in any way that opening the country will also open avenues of transfer. My point, beyond believing this is an overreaction and that this has effectively paralyzed my daughters relationship, happiness, finances and future, is that if the economy is opened, everyone will have the choice to participate or not. As it is, though, those in our population who most need work and work experience, and who most need to earn money to have a self sufficient life, a family, and optimism for their future DON’T have choices. These people are the youngest and poorest, not usually those of advanced age. The vast majority of the most endangered are retired, already on assisted living, or both, or can telecommute due to an advanced job title and work experience. And those people could opt to stay out of circulation for as long as they please.

As for disliking those who have opposing view, I don’t. You’ll see I rarely if ever impugn character or assign motive, or name call. The mainstream media is my exception. Devout liars deserve scorn. Those folk need to take a 10 step walk off a 9 step cliff. If you missed it, look for what CBS and Chuck Todd did to outright lie about AG Barr and his answers in an interview.

https://youtu.be/GCEljYCNj-4

cameranut Loc: North Carolina

Then what WAS that in all those body bags placed in make shift freezers in New York???? And why aren't all the health care people going onto social media and denying it all?????? And why are all these "underlying conditions" just now making a surge in the numbers of deaths??????? Too many coincidences to be a hoax.

CWGordon

I appreciate your courteous and well stated position. I do disagree with you assertion that C Todd is the liar in this matter. There is a reason so many prosecutors have left DOJ, in protest. The things Barr has done re: Mueller report, Stone case, Mike Flynn case, etc. have all, but ruined the concept that this Country is subject to the Rule of Law. Over 2000 former DOJ officials have signed a protest letter regarding the Flynn matter. No member of the legal community can argue, with a straight face, his argument, for dropping charges against an admitted liar. As Barr has stated in response, the victors get to write history. That is his argument, or the major part of justifying letting Flynn go scott-free?!?
The DOJ is now in business to protect friends of the Leader. Neither you nor I would dare try that defense in a Court of Law. This banana republic scheme is far more dangerous and worrisome than any newsman and any mistake or misquote they might make. I am worried about our losing Democracy.

In the meantime I again thank you and appreciate your thoughtful and courteous response. I need to get my tired butt up to bed.
Be well/stay well.

Tommy II Loc: Northern Illinois

Personally I could care less if this dummy gets CV-19. It’s called thinning the herd by natural selection, getting rid of the really stupid ones. They think the mask is there to protect them, not realizing they are being asked to wear them to protect others from their contamination. Stupid, Stupid People

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

The ones I know of are aware that they are protecting others. Killing off noble ones is not improving the herd any.

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

No, I did not mean to excuse the culprit because he was an employee. Actually it is worse, while I do no advocate his being canned, perhaps a "word" (pronounced asschewing) from upper management might be in order.

jhkfly

CWGordon disagrees with "much of my premise."

I don't quite understand. My PREMISE is that I am UPSET - by conflicting official information about the deaths attributed to Covid-19, conflicting official information about from constantly disproved "models" which are being used to destroy the economy of our country, conflicting official proclamations as to the best way out of the crisis. Why do you disagree that I'm upset?

And cameranut: " Too many coincidences to be a hoax." Really? "Hoax" was not my opinion by the way, but part of a quotation I cited.

I am not disputing the number of deaths counted, but if 80-plus thousands have died from Covid-19, that means there are NO DEATHS AT ALL so far this year from hypertension, heart disease, cancer and fifteen or more other deadly diseases that have afflicted our country in the same time period regularly over the last five years. Have we seen a miracle?

FrankR Loc: NYC

[quote=jhkfly]Hears what upsets me about this whole thing: we are constantly bombarded by news broadcasters and medical "experts" who stentoriously proclaim we are in the midst of the apocalypse with thousands upon thousands of Covid-19 deaths, yet the CDC's own recently released records seem to put to the lie such fear-mongering.

Note this: "COVID-19: No Impact on US Death Rate So Far in 2020

Your source is Need to Know.news, seriously? A known conspiracy theory, phony science site that denies HIV/AIDS, and claims that dental care undermines our health? This is who you try to pass of as a reliable and factual source of information?

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Total deaths are up. I cannot speak for other parts of the county, but here in Indiana we are still seeing deaths caused by auto accidents, heart attacks, etc, but many deaths really are connected with that incredibly imaginative virus. It is still classified as a “respiratory” illness, but it is also responsible for attacks on other parts of the body. Doctors have seen it cause blood clots and multi organ failure that it seems to be responsible for. A formerly healthy twenty something who suddenly has a heart attack or multi-organ failure where Covid-19 is the “only problem”, for example.