What Our Parents/Grandparents Endured
May 10, 2020 12:19:01 #
John_F wrote:
I have heard it said that the Depression was so,ved by Hitler.,This will start a word storm, so fire away.
I think it an interesting thought. You would have to leave out the Japanese in this alternative history too. But what would happen to the economy over 5-6 more years of slow economic rebuilding versus 5-6 years of world war? Maybe the economy would have regenerated anyway. One thing true enough the world was restructured in some ways for the better because of WWII. It sure wasn't all positive, of course!
May 10, 2020 12:19:26 #
By my count on your great narrative, human causation of deaths 4 Mother Nature 3. I didn’t add up the death count just causation. I think Mother Nature had more actual deaths. Your narrative does not at this time include the current crisis. More deaths and one more in Mother Nature’s column. Life.
May 10, 2020 12:32:41 #
Abo wrote:
By that reasoning, because there are those eat "food" found in garbage cans,
you must not complain if you only have fresh bread and water.
you must not complain if you only have fresh bread and water.
I tried to follow your logic and can't. To complain is everyone's right, at least for now. To whine and cry about things that can't be controlled serves no one's interest.
May 10, 2020 12:49:43 #
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
Two thumbs and big toes up!
I would like to learn if there was so much disharmony during the 1918 pandemic. Maybe there was, given that people seem the same at different times and we scarcely seem able to learn lessons over the long term. But I don't know.
I would like to learn if there was so much disharmony during the 1918 pandemic. Maybe there was, given that people seem the same at different times and we scarcely seem able to learn lessons over the long term. But I don't know.
Don't forget that much of the disharmony of today is computer related. At no other time in history was there so much information/misinformation spread about the single topic of the virus. Back in 1918 there were newspapers and some radio. Reports were most likely slow coming as to what was happening. I also doubt there was a political scene going on at the time either. Today everybody is telling the truth or lies exactly as their political party tells them what is happening. Hundreds of doctors all telling their version of the truth but nobody really knows if that truth is really the truth. We will have to wait and see.
Dennis
May 10, 2020 13:44:38 #
No that’s not all that we’re asked to do. We’re asked to watch our livelyhood disappear. For some that is a business that they put their life savings into. We have to watch our investments disappear with the market so we get to work til we die. And let’s not forget we have to watch our civil liberties disappear something our grandparents wouldn’t have stood still for. Funny thing we used to quarantine the sick.
May 10, 2020 13:50:46 #
Sit on the couch with a hot sandwich and a cold beverage, ohhh the humanity.
May 10, 2020 13:52:42 #
usken65 wrote:
No that’s not all that we’re asked to do. We’re asked to watch our livelyhood disappear. For some that is a business that they put their life savings into. We have to watch our investments disappear with the market so we get to work til we die. And let’s not forget we have to watch our civil liberties disappear something our grandparents wouldn’t have stood still for. Funny thing we used to quarantine the sick.
We would quarantine the sick - we want to quarantine "the sick"- but this thing got out of control before we knew what we are working with. We now know that someone can be infectious before s/he will show any symptoms, but even now we do not have enough testing to test people every day like they do at the White House. Until we get this thing enough under control to do serious contact tracing we won't know on whom our relatively few testing should be done.
May 10, 2020 14:35:42 #
From John_F: "... the Depression was solved by Hitler."
If so, the solution was much worse than the problem!
If so, the solution was much worse than the problem!
May 10, 2020 14:55:45 #
Amielee
Loc: Eastern Washington State
My father was born in 1897 and served on the Mexican Boarder incident and in 5 battles in WWI with the 29th Inv. Div. When I was 9 years old we came home from church and were eating lunch with the radio on. Suddenly he started to cry, I had never seen that happen before or since. It was Dec. 7th 1941. He died in 1971. He never talked about WWI to me or anyone else that I know of until I came back from Korea in 1953, then we had a long talk.
May 10, 2020 15:51:28 #
fetzler
Loc: North West PA
My parents were born just after 1900. My mother-in law is 95. None of these folks were wimps hiding under their beds. They lived life fully and bravely. My mother, in particular, warned if letting the government into your life. Some of her relatives were turned over to the Gestapo by their own children. They were not Jewish. My mother-in-law now has construction workers in her home and takes out her meals. She is not at all paralyzed by the the current hysteria. Life is never safe.
Waiting to be Safe = Never
Waiting to be Safe = Never
May 10, 2020 16:03:27 #
BBurns wrote:
This Historical perspective is not a cure-all, but... (show quote)
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2020/04/in-my-parents-time-there-was-tangible-sacrifice-to-help-others-where-are-the-victory-gardens-and-ration-coupons-now-steve-traina.html
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May 11, 2020 00:01:45 #
whlsdn
Loc: Colorado
Valenta wrote:
and we are still over populated....
Not suggesting this means you ARE, but to those who rally to population control as the world's solution, I ask, "Why are you still here?" I understand the threat of overpopulation, but if this is a discussion aimed at promoting programmed kill-offs, like some are incredibly accusing poor Bill Gates of contriving with his vaccine potion, or like rehashing the ethnic cleansing agenda bragged about by Margaret Sanger, we all need to turn off the computers and go take pictures.
May 11, 2020 08:45:29 #
John_F wrote:
I have heard it said that the Depression was so,ved by Hitler.,This will start a word storm, so fire away.
There is ample evidence that the Great Depression was not solved by Hitler. During WWII there was little, to no wealth created. The GNP/GDP was consumed to the tune of 38% by defense spending. No new appliances, autos, homes, etc., hard assets were built from 1942, to 1946. With the large migration of folks to the cities during the war, no one could build housing to support them. Huge numbers of people lived in tents and shacks while working for defense contractors.
Even Truman attempted a revival of FDR's programs, but was stymied by a Congress which had the good sense to defeat his "Fair Deal" legislation, and let the economy grow on its own.
My grandfather was born in 1899, and personally saw all the events the OP cited. One of the things he could say, was that his was the last generation that saw no planes in the sky, and in 66 years, saw man land on the moon.
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