Just for perspective (Page 3): Both George Washington and John Adams were against and warned about a two party system. In Washington's farewell address he pretty much predicted what we...

tomad Loc: North Carolina

Both George Washington and John Adams were against and warned about a two party system. In Washington's farewell address he pretty much predicted what we have today in the division (parties, citizens, and media) of our country.

“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.” ... George Washington

“...a division of the republic into two great parties … is to be dreaded as the great political evil.” ... John Adams

1Feathercrest Loc: NEPA

Nikonnorm wrote:

There was a guy hit by a bus. They said cov 19 killed him.

That bus driver is a RAP singer who took COV 19 for a name.

williejoha

The problem the way I see it is that too many people rely on one news source. I happen to read news from two sources in the US and two sources from overseas. By watching government officials give their spin and then read about what was supposed to have been said, it becomes relatively easy to discern the facts. Certain news channels are just spewing sheer BS.
WJH

Straightshooter Loc: Edmonton AB

DanielB wrote:

My wife is a 30+ years as a nurse. She has herd from physicians that they have been told to pad the numbers by recording death by other causes as Covid-19 deaths. This is not the first I've heard of this and this has become political in the most horrible way.

To all you disbelievers I have a daughter in law that is a doctor and was working at the university of Mississippi and went to volunteer in a Bronx hospital in New York because they need all the help they can get
I just pray that she will stay safe and by the way she is Canadian helping our friends south of our border

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

DanielB wrote:

My wife is a 30+ years as a nurse. She has herd from physicians that they have been told to pad the numbers by recording death by other causes as Covid-19 deaths. This is not the first I've heard of this and this has become political in the most horrible way.

As a physician, I seriously doubt that this is occurring.

Please realize that "cause of death" is very often a judgement call. An obese middle-aged patient presents with pneumonia, their diabetes goes haywire, their blood pressure drops requiring medication to keep it up, they have a stroke, they become comatose, and their terminal event is a heart attack. What was the cause of death? Pneumonia? Heart attack? Stroke?

Also realize that Covid-19 may acutely cause not just pneumonia, but heart attack, stroke, blood clots to the lungs, kidney failure, seizures, and more.

What I believe to be happening is that physicians are being encouraged to use Covid-19 as cause of death when there is a reasonable suspicion that they had Covid-19, and that had they not been infected with Covid-19, they would have likely survived.

charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.

rmalarz wrote:

As I stated in another thread, I'm getting tired of the 'théorie de l'heure' approach to finding out what is going on. It seems this has become a group of encampments that each believes what they think is correct and the others are wrong. Oh, and politics definitely rears its ugly head, as well. I'd like to find one factual, reliable, accurate, and honest source of news, and not only regarding the current plague.
--Bob

Try FOX NEWS

charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.

tramsey wrote:

What do you expect when our 'leaders' don't follow their own rules. Nof following thee rules and opening a business too soon without abiding by the rules I think we are in for a long siege of this stuff

I'm in VA. and it's definitely happening here.

srg

Arguing with an idiot is idiotic.

foodie65

charles tabb wrote:

Try FOX NEWS

Surely, you jest!!!

Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State

rmalarz wrote:

As I stated in another thread, I'm getting tired of the 'théorie de l'heure' approach to finding out what is going on. It seems this has become a group of encampments that each believes what they think is correct and the others are wrong. Oh, and politics definitely rears its ugly head, as well. I'd like to find one factual, reliable, accurate, and honest source of news, and not only regarding the current plague.
--Bob

You probably won't. Most of the people out there have not seen a case of CoVid and do not know anyone who has had it. They have one opinion. Those people who have had a family member get it or know someone who has gotten it have another opinion. The medical people, nurses and doctors who have taken care of those with it are really scared of it. They know how fast things can go downhill. It depends on who you talk to and who you believe.

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

StanMac wrote:

Who and for what purpose would tell physicians to do that? I’m genuinely curious. When someone is told to falsify medical records there is usually a nefarious or financial gain involved and it should be reported.

Stan

Follow the money. It isn’t necessarily nefarious but the medical folks don’t usually miss an opportunity. Only if they tested would there be accurate figures.

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

Straightshooter wrote:

To all you disbelievers I have a daughter in law that is a doctor and was working at the university of Mississippi and went to volunteer in a Bronx hospital in New York because they need all the help they can get
I just pray that she will stay safe and by the way she is Canadian helping our friends south of our border

Thank her for us. Many great Canadians practicing in the US.

williejoha

Clint f, I happen to think that you are off your rocker. Ya, the medical people are going out there risking their lives for a financial gain? There are a lot of easier ways to make lots of money than your stupid suggestion.
WJH

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

clint f. wrote:

Follow the money. It isn’t necessarily nefarious but the medical folks don’t usually miss an opportunity. Only if they tested would there be accurate figures.

The claim about over-coding Covid-19 is based on the extra $13,000 per Covid-19 patient and $39,000 per ICU Covid-19 patient that Medicare has decided to pay hospitals because it costs hospitals more to take care of Covid patient as compared to non-Covid patients. These are not payments to doctors. Doctors do not benefit in any way from these Medicare funds.

ntonkin Loc: western Upper Peninusla of Michigan

Collhar wrote:

"I'd like to find one factual, reliable, accurate, and honest source of news, and not only regarding the current plague"
Good luck with that on any level. That level of expectation is long gone.

That source is Al Jazzerra