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May 8, 2020 10:25:34   #
photoman43
 
Keep shooting RAW. Try the free Nikon software, Nikon NX-D,its raw processor and Nikon View NX-i. Download their manuals and start there. NX-D is not perfect, but it is easy to use. NX-i is a very fast browser program that can send an image to NX-D for raw processing. As just a browser, it is fast and an efficient way to cull your images.
In NX-D check out U Point technology or Control points.

https://nikonimglib.com/ncnxd/onlinehelp/en/04_edit_08.html


I have been trying to learn LR and PS for over 15 years. If you want to stick with Adobe products check out Tim Grey Learning for all of his videos. For me, using just Adobe Camera Raw could handle 90-95% of what I need to do with my raw images.I do not need the catalog in LR.

I am using DXO Photo Lab 3 as my main RAW processor. It has presets built into it. And it accepts others too. It can be used seamlessly with the NIK Collection 2 of programs. Check it out. There are lots of good tutorials on how to use it. They bought NIK a few years ago so the same company controls both products. DXO and NIK own and use Control points or U point technology. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=tCBESw2uaa4

https://lifeafterphotoshop.com/dxo-photolab-3-review/

I am a big fan of using Control Points for local adjustments.

Always try out the software for free for 30 days before purchasing it. Only by using it can you determine if it is right for you. The marketing stuff and articles never tell you everything you need to know.

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May 8, 2020 10:30:34   #
stogieboy Loc: Marlboro, NY
 
Well, there is certainly no shortage of advice on this forum! :-)

It is overwhelming, definitely. The way I have always learned PP and LR is to find a photo that I want to "enhance" and then start small. For example, if you want to use YouTube, look for a specific topic on "how to..." and start there. That will open up more options as you learn, and you'll take a gradual approach. I tend to bookmark the videos I like, and will reference them regularly when using PP/LR.

A few years ago, I found a laminated card for how do to basics in PP. I don't know if its still as relevant today, but I've found that the basics are worth keeping handy, and then as you get more comfortable, you can dive deeper.

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May 8, 2020 11:23:24   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
GLKTN wrote:
I have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 5 and have been watching YouTube videos trying to learn how to use them. Even the basic videos seem to cover too much info at a time. The next issue is what is the proper picture. What needs adjusting. With all this high powered processing software I end up selecting auto adjust and leave it at that. It is totally overwhelming to me. I am really enjoying my Nikon d750 and shoot in M, one card raw and one jpeg. The processing stuff is just not fun. HELP.


I took classes with an actual instructor. I pretty much enjoy the processing as much as the shooting. You can try either just using Lr with its basic processes or use Ps but try using only the ACR app that is essentially like the Lr Develop mode. I lately do 90% of my processes with just Adobe Camera Raw and just finishing touches like size and crop with Full Ps. Thing is Ps is really a Graphic Design program that is way over kill for most photographers. Photographers even advanced commercial ones only need to use a small portion of Ps power. Really only experimental artists would likely use Ps to its fullest. Yet, if you know what you need of Ps it is likely the best as to quality images you can get. But there is a steep learning curve unless you pace yourself or have a good teacher. Online and books can help is you learn that way. Why do you have Ps CS5 and not CS6 or the current CC version? I use CS6 by the way.

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May 8, 2020 11:24:05   #
MarkSki
 
Check out Laura Shoe’s video Lightroom course. For about $40 You’ll learn step by step at your own pace how to use Lightroom.

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May 8, 2020 11:57:09   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
GLKTN wrote:
I have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 5 and have been watching YouTube videos trying to learn how to use them. Even the basic videos seem to cover too much info at a time. The next issue is what is the proper picture. What needs adjusting. With all this high powered processing software I end up selecting auto adjust and leave it at that. It is totally overwhelming to me. I am really enjoying my Nikon d750 and shoot in M, one card raw and one jpeg. The processing stuff is just not fun. HELP.


You might spend months/years learning post processing. It is a bottomless pit. Take it slow and learn a little at a time. If you are satisfied with results for you images, you know enough. I find books more to my liking than videos. Windows 10 has "Photos" - a simple basic photo processing program. Macs have similar. Picasa is a very old program that still works. I can offer you a download (free) from my Dropbox. If interested, send me a PM.
Mark

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May 8, 2020 12:04:29   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
GLKTN wrote:
I have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 5 and have been watching YouTube videos trying to learn how to use them. Even the basic videos seem to cover too much info at a time. The next issue is what is the proper picture. What needs adjusting. With all this high powered processing software I end up selecting auto adjust and leave it at that. It is totally overwhelming to me. I am really enjoying my Nikon d750 and shoot in M, one card raw and one jpeg. The processing stuff is just not fun. HELP.


Yep, I also have a 750, and I find it amazing that these cameras today have so much technology built into them, but we still need to post process everything in order for it to satisfy everyone!



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May 8, 2020 12:04:45   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
You are right to learn video editing or PS LR etc etc could take a lifetime.
I used them for what's left of my work and art. So I started using the what do
I want to do. Keep it simple. Less is more.

That is the way I works on Final Cut Pro and PS. I now have over 70 videos on Vimeo.
Their are well intentioned teachers and services and Adobe really is good.
Youtube has some really great videos that give you more info then manuals.
I see often here shooters being critical of not reading the manual. I read
the startup stuff etc and keep the manual with the camera or camcorder
I have with me. I have found that google youtube is just amazing at the subject
you want to learn. The reviews insight tells you stuff you should know.
Good luck.

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May 8, 2020 12:05:22   #
one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY
 
GLKTN wrote:
I have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 5 and have been watching YouTube videos trying to learn how to use them. Even the basic videos seem to cover too much info at a time. The next issue is what is the proper picture. What needs adjusting. With all this high powered processing software I end up selecting auto adjust and leave it at that. It is totally overwhelming to me. I am really enjoying my Nikon d750 and shoot in M, one card raw and one jpeg. The processing stuff is just not fun. HELP.


Photoshop and Lightroom can be very intimidating. I suggest you skip Photoshop for the time being. I only use Lightroom (LR) for 95% of my images. I started using LR 3 years ago. what really helped me was finding a "workflow" that I could methodically follow every time. My workflow is based on reviewing several tutorials. It is a series of steps and only takes a couple minutes per image. A few images then take additional steps.

My "Develop" workflow is as follows:
1. Crop
2. Set black point
3. Set White point
4. Open shadows
5. Reduce highlights
6. Increase texture
7. Increase clarity
8. Increase luminance

I observe the changes in each step and back off if I don't like the look of each adjustment. Much of the time that's where I can stop. With some images I may need to increase exposure or contrast. Then I may decide to add sharpening and/or noise reduction. Remember changes made in LR are non destructive so you can always revert to your original.

Take it slow until you feel comfortable with your workflow. You can then learn how to use more localized adjustment tools and add them to the workflow. There are loads of other adjustments available in LR but it takes time and experience to learn them.

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May 8, 2020 12:12:53   #
neillaubenthal
 
Shoot RAW…it is much more forgiving.
Auto adjust is your friend to start.
I've found that Luminar is the best plug in for me…tried ON1 and the Topaz ones and not much used. Luminar will do a lot of things that LR doesn't do easily.
Put in keywords, hierarchical…figure out and establish those before you get too many photos behind.
Steve Perry from backcountrygallery.com has an excellent series of videos on the Import module…well worth the $30 bucks or so he charges.
Figure out what you want to do with your photos…if web then I've built a standard export format along with 16x10 cropping that makes my travel blog photos consistent in size and format…I do sometimes use non standard crops but not that often.

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May 8, 2020 12:30:18   #
Doyle Thomas Loc: Vancouver Washington ~ USA
 
why is more important than how

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May 8, 2020 12:32:02   #
fotobyferg
 
Getting hung up in the post processing game can really be a buzz kill, imo. I stressed over my lack of proficiency in post. Then I got a grip, stopped taking my images too seriously, and just did whatever the heck I felt like with them. If I liked the result...end of game.

Play around, like I did, with the mantra that this is supposed to be fun. There's always something more worth learning, as long as you don't explode your brain in the process. I am all about keeping my stress down, brain intact, and enjoyment of the image created.

Oh yeah....don't compare your images to the "big guns" out there. There will always be someone better at what you are trying to do. Personally, I stopped putting that burden upon myself.

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May 8, 2020 12:33:10   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
one_eyed_pete wrote:
Photoshop and Lightroom can be very intimidating. I suggest you skip Photoshop for the time being. I only use Lightroom (LR) for 95% of my images. I started using LR 3 years ago. what really helped me was finding a "workflow" that I could methodically follow every time. My workflow is based on reviewing several tutorials. It is a series of steps and only takes a couple minutes per image. A few images then take additional steps.

My "Develop" workflow is as follows:
1. Crop
2. Set black point
3. Set White point
4. Open shadows
5. Reduce highlights
6. Increase texture
7. Increase clarity
8. Increase luminance

I observe the changes in each step and back off if I don't like the look of each adjustment. Much of the time that's where I can stop. With some images I may need to increase exposure or contrast. Then I may decide to add sharpening and/or noise reduction. Remember changes made in LR are non destructive so you can always revert to your original.

Take it slow until you feel comfortable with your workflow. You can then learn how to use more localized adjustment tools and add them to the workflow. There are loads of other adjustments available in LR but it takes time and experience to learn them.
Photoshop and Lightroom can be very intimidating. ... (show quote)


This is a great example of what I was talking about with all the technology that is in todays cameras. Why is this required after taking a picture with a $2000.00 camera?

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May 8, 2020 12:33:15   #
fotoman150
 
GLKTN wrote:
I have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 5 and have been watching YouTube videos trying to learn how to use them. Even the basic videos seem to cover too much info at a time. The next issue is what is the proper picture. What needs adjusting. With all this high powered processing software I end up selecting auto adjust and leave it at that. It is totally overwhelming to me. I am really enjoying my Nikon d750 and shoot in M, one card raw and one jpeg. The processing stuff is just not fun. HELP.


The best way I have found to learn the software is to take it a little at a time. There are things that are most common that photographers need to know. Learn those first. Then if you want get books on the subject and go through them a little each day.

I don’t recommend live classes because they go too fast and don’t repeat so it never enters long term memory. I recommend Udemy.com or Lynda.com for classes that you can repeat and rewind as needed.

The most important thing I can say is don’t sweat not knowing everything about PP. Very few do. Just learn the basics. Don’t give up. Take it a day at a time and learn the next thing each day.

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May 8, 2020 12:52:54   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
fotoman150 wrote:
The best way I have found to learn the software is to take it a little at a time. There are things that are most common that photographers need to know. Learn those first. Then if you want get books on the subject and go through them a little each day.

I don’t recommend live classes because they go too fast and don’t repeat so it never enters long term memory. I recommend Udemy.com or Lynda.com for classes that you can repeat and rewind as needed.

The most important thing I can say is don’t sweat not knowing everything about PP. Very few do. Just learn the basics. Don’t give up. Take it a day at a time and learn the next thing each day.
The best way I have found to learn the software is... (show quote)



Good, sound advice. Many here on UHH lose sight of how to respond to one who is struggling and a beginner. You did not.
Mark

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May 8, 2020 12:53:45   #
scsdesphotography Loc: Southeastern Michigan
 
larryepage wrote:
I used my first "personal computer" software about 40 years ago. I had two programs...a text editor called WordStar and a spreadsheet program called MultiPlan. Each offered huge productivity advances over the pencil and paper work we had been doing. They each added revolutionary value to our ability to do productive work, even though they were both very primitive when compared to what is available today.

It wasn't too long before Lotus 1-2-3 came along. Everyone was clamoring to get it. It let you have three worksheets in each file. Pretty soon, it would even let you make simple graphs. Over the years, the floodgates opened. Programs that did fancier graphs, provided color choices, and even choices of fonts. Lots fancier looking...very impressive, in fact, but very little that truly enhanced meaningful analytical capabilities for most people...lots of "form," but not a whole lot of meaningful "substance" for the vast majority of people. In fact, the software became an end in itself, consuming untold numbers of work hours with very little added intelligence.

In my mind, there is a real parallel with photo processing software for the majority of us. Early photo editors, including Paint Shop (which I've never used) and Microsoft Photo Manager (which I have used) offered the revolutionary ability to make some quick, easy, and incredibly useful adjustments to photographs. It was revolutionary, in fact. But the same thing happened all over again. Features were added, computers got more powerful, so more features were added, and pretty soon we ended up with these monster programs full of capabilities that no one really ever asked for.

Of course, there have also been some other parallel paths. In the 1970s, calculator nerds salivated over which calculator could compute 69 factorial fastest (the largest calculated number that scientific calculators could display). Or which calculators carried 13 digits of precision and which carried only 10.

Later, there were other folks who spent hours stretching the capabilities of spreadsheets to do calculations and analyses that no one else cared about. Or in making the presentation that looked the least like it came from a spreadsheet program.

The point of all this is that there is a basic question around all this that we do. It is, "Just because we can do a thing, does it mean that we should do it?" Or that we need to do it?

My suggestion is that you use post processing to get the results you want, then stop. Just don't worry about the stuff you don't need or care about. Have fun. Do lifr.
I used my first "personal computer" soft... (show quote)
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Ah, 1-2-3, my very first office suite. It came on two cartridge's which plugged into my Pcjr!

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