Upgrade Question (Page 3): I don't think it would take $2000 NTOD, which is why I made the suggestion. I will admit that even a used 100-400mm isii will run over $1300. Slightly out of...

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Notorious T.O.D. wrote:

Yes, I agree. I can throw a $2000 lens on my daughter’s T3i and get some good results. You may go through a few bodies but good glass will always pay dividends. It also really depends on what glass she already has too...

I don't think it would take $2000 NTOD, which is why I made the suggestion. I will admit that even a used 100-400mm isii will run over $1300. Slightly out of budget. There are other lenses that would not be as expensive, but to get a decent lens that will capture anything at distance, it's going to require money. If it didn't, we'd all be being those inexpensive fantastic telephoto lenses, wouldn't we?

joegim Loc: Long Island, NY

I don't have a Canon camera but I read conflicting claims whether a crop sensor EF-S lens will mount on a full frame body & vice versa. Maybe the Canon users here can verify that. But even assuming that the crop sensor lens can be mounted on the full frame body, the bigger mirror of the full frame body might hit the rear of some EF-S lenses.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

joegim wrote:

I don't have a Canon camera but I read conflicting claims whether a crop sensor EF-S lens will mount on a full frame body & vice versa. Maybe the Canon users here can verify that. But even assuming that the crop sensor lens can be mounted on the full frame body, the bigger mirror of the full frame body might hit the rear of some EF-S lenses.

They won't mount on a FF EF body. They can be used with a FF R body with the EF adapter, but the image circle will not cover the whole sensor.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Yes I just threw out $2,000 as a mid price lens. There are good lenses at a fraction of that price and great lenses at a multiple of that price. Just talking from what I actually tested too.

At some point the body does make a difference and the features and durability improve with more expensive bodies too. If you put a $300 body on a $6,000 lens you might not be achieving the full potential of the lens. Depending of course on what you are shooting...

But I think most would agree that good glass on a less expensive body will probably do better than marginal glass on an expensive body. Good glass would probably be what I would suggest for the OP situation or keep saving to increase the budget.

SteveR wrote:

I don't think it would take $2000 NTOD, which is why I made the suggestion. I will admit that even a used 100-400mm isii will run over $1300. Slightly out of budget. There are other lenses that would not be as expensive, but to get a decent lens that will capture anything at distance, it's going to require money. If it didn't, we'd all be being those inexpensive fantastic telephoto lenses, wouldn't we?

roger

Definitely a good move to go from APS to FF. That said, one of the problems might be the lenses she has. If they are EF mount, no problem. However, if they are EF-S, big problem as they won't fit a FF camera mount. We've found that the FF is enough better than APS that you can eliminate the "crop" factor on the lenses. That is, you can crop a full-frame image down to match the size of the APS and it will still be better than the APS. The FF cameras don't have all the features, but they're built better to withstand more and last longer.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Realistically the EF-S lenses don’t mount on full frame or APS-H body canon DSLR cameras. Technically they can be mounted with an extension tube, but to what useful end really...

joegim wrote:

I don't have a Canon camera but I read conflicting claims whether a crop sensor EF-S lens will mount on a full frame body & vice versa. Maybe the Canon users here can verify that. But even assuming that the crop sensor lens can be mounted on the full frame body, the bigger mirror of the full frame body might hit the rear of some EF-S lenses.

JimRPhoto Loc: Raleigh NC

Hi Elmo. I am a long time Canon user, and the 5D Mark iii is an improvement over what I have been using these past few years, the 5D Mark ii. I have been completely satisfied with the quality of the camera body and the features. One thing you should be aware of is that the lenses that would fit the non-FF Canon bodies, will not work with the FF 5D. So that would mean starting anew with lens acquisition. I bought my 5D Mark ii used at a local camera store, and eventually wound up with a lens set of a moderate telephoto (to 70mm) and a 70-200 telephoto, plus a 1.4 teleconverter which brings the 70-200 to nearly 300 mm. A great combination and it works well. Again, none of this equipment was bought new, but used in very good condition, all of which add into the budget considerations. Hope this is of some help. JimR

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Notorious T.O.D. wrote:

Realistically the EF-S lenses don’t mount on full frame or APS-H body canon DSLR cameras. Technically they can be mounted with an extension tube, but to what useful end really...

You definitely don't want the mirror to crash into the back of the lens. I keep on forgetting that Canon has this quirk. Nikon doesn't. Which begs the question - why not consider a D800 or a D810. D800s are listed for sale, used, for between $500 and $650, which would leave a few $$ for a 24-120 F4. You can find these used, on ebay for around $400. No reason to stay with Canon if she is going to need new lenses anyway.

tropics68 Loc: Georgia

Gene51 wrote:

You definitely don't want the mirror to crash into the back of the lens. I keep on forgetting that Canon has this quirk. Nikon doesn't. Which begs the question - why not consider a D800 or a D810. D800s are listed for sale, used, for between $500 and $650, which would leave a few $$ for a 24-120 F4. You can find these used, on ebay for around $400. No reason to stay with Canon if she is going to need new lenses anyway.

What's wrong with Canon????????????????

roger

You're right, and I'd forgotten about the APS-H bodies. I do use a 60mm EF-S macro lens on my 5DIV, but like you said, with a 12mm extension tube. Works wonderfully, but of course, won't focus to infinity! I had the lens from the time before full-frame. The little extension tube works pretty well with all the full-frame lenses I have as well.

bweber Loc: Newton, MA

The 1DS III is bullet proof, she cannot break it. It is an old sensor, but produces great images. The only down side is that is heavy and large, it also does not have all of the new bells and whistles. On the plus side is that the very large battery will run all day, in any weather. I have used mine at -20F. She may do better with a used 5DIII or 6DII. She will need to use high quality, probably "L" lenses to get the most out of her full frame images.

roger

Like your advice, and it's spot-on! Can't beat the Canon L glass and I still miss my 5D3 in many ways.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Roger, it is good to use Quote Reply so people know who you are replying to unless you are just making a general comment. I will warn you before the post police get on you...😳😎

roger wrote:

You're right, and I'd forgotten about the APS-H bodies. I do use a 60mm EF-S macro lens on my 5DIV, but like you said, with a 12mm extension tube. Works wonderfully, but of course, won't focus to infinity! I had the lens from the time before full-frame. The little extension tube works pretty well with all the full-frame lenses I have as well.

rcarol

47greyfox wrote:

If she's determined to go FF despite most of her glass being EF-S, I also also agree that a refurbished 6d2 is a good idea. As for lenses, maybe a refurbished 70-300? Not ideally long enough for much nature, but even with that her budget is going to get stretched. Or.... forget the nature part and concentrate on landscape, then a wide angle or 24-105 might do. Figure on her spending about $1300-$1500. Or she could stay with her EF-S glass and grab a refurbished 80d body for $650.

The problem with going to a Canon 6D Mk II or Canon 5D Mk III is that she will not be able to mount any of her existing lenses on either camera. She may want to consider a Canon EOS RP which will allow her to use EF and ES-S lenses using the supplied adapter.

bweber Loc: Newton, MA

Why would she go to a full frame camera and then use a lens that will not cover the entire sensor. She would be better off upgrading to a high quality crop sensor like a 90D.