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Apr 26, 2020 04:58:58   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
A premature reopening of businesses and a relaxing of social distancing may very well result in a surge of infections, and subsequently more deaths. Trump has conveniently shifted these decisions to the states, even though he very much wants the reopening. Now, when the virus deaths do increase, he can blame the states for not adhering to his guidelines. He is a man without realistic solutions, but will be quick to seize the opportunity to blame others, shirking all responsibilities of his office.
At this tragic time, it is a shame we don’t have a leader with an effective plan.
A premature reopening of businesses and a relaxing... (show quote)


You should have read a book.

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Apr 26, 2020 05:19:54   #
Jade Warrior Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
LWW wrote:
You should have read a book.


What book would you recommend? There are lots of books.

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Apr 26, 2020 07:41:50   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
dennis2146 wrote:
No my friend, not true at all. I do like much about what is happening in America especially before the virus started. I just know there is plenty of blame to throw around. But from your side of the aisle it ONLY gets directed toward Trump. Should a Trump have replenished the supplies that OBAMA failed to replenish? Of course he should have. I suspect had someone in charge of that department let him know about the shortage he would have had that person order some. Let’s be honest. You don’t really think Trump should have wandered around counting ventilators and masks do you? He has people that are paid to do that. Yes so did OBAMA but the minuscule difference is OBAMA had used them on his watch. Shouldn’t he have known of the shortage?

But let’s not forget Cuomo of NYS. He knew of his shortage but spent the money on something else. Isn’t it his fault? But my point again is all this blame to go around but tell me of a Liberal who blames anyone but Trump.

But let’s give Trump credit for the low percentage of deaths compared to other countries. Any takers? Nope, not from the Left. That is my point.

Of course a Trump is fallible and capable of failing. Who wouldn’t know that. Since before his inauguration the Left has beaten that fact into the minds of the world population. With every single thing Trump has done there were your friends telling us this won’t work, people will starve, NK will nuke us, the economy will fail, war will break out, no wall will be built. And YET not one of those predictions has come close to being true. The American Liberals have beaten the failure drum for so long that it is true Trump may not get a lot of respect from other countries. But of course other countries are now benefiting from Trump’s policies.

Perhaps my friend it is every Liberal in America who just doesn’t get it.

Dennis
No my friend, not true at all. I do like much abo... (show quote)


Re-read your opening post.
This conversation is now off topic, and has turned stupid.
Have a nice Sunday.

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Apr 26, 2020 07:52:44   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Jade Warrior wrote:
What book would you recommend? There are lots of books.


I put out a list.

How many have you read?

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Apr 26, 2020 09:18:03   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I am struggling to understand—and in consideration of the 50 states’ rights: Trump is in charge, and has been for three years—with a Republican senate.
He has the power to tell the governors what he wants, and most will fall in line in fear of losing federal favor.
Trump is vindictive against those who oppose his wishes and could easily control the governors.
It isn’t ALL Trump’s fault, but let us give credit where it is due.


So for the record, do you or do you not believe in “States rights”?

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Apr 26, 2020 09:36:17   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
yhtomit wrote:
So for the record, do you or do you not believe in “States rights”?


Of course I do. I know all about state's rights.

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

Please try to be reasonable in your assumptions.

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Apr 26, 2020 09:39:16   #
FrumCA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My friend just sent me the posting that I copied and pasted. Believe me I am capable of agreeing with the post and have an idea but of course you will disagree because you are a Liberal.

I think for many Liberals, not all of course. Nothing is ever ALL. But in my opinion it is about controlling the citizens, you and me. Read what the post says. Are you not able to ask yourself, Hey, what IS it about opening up Home Depot but ONLY to purchase specific items? Why can't paint be sold, why not flower and vegetable seeds and plants? Do you have an answer for that? If Home Depot is open to sell some items then please tell me why it is not open to sell every item offered on their shelves?

I know you will not agree with me but my opinion is the Democrats have to do something to show that President Trump is not able to keep America economically sound. Can we at least agree that before the virus America was quite economically sound? Then by keeping businesses closed, by having a great many small and medium businesses fail completely the economy most likely will not recover until after the election. That has to make President Trump and his policies somewhat suspect doesn't it? Now who does it benefit that America's economy fails right before the election. C'mon now, only two choices.

The State shut down the government for our health to begin with but let's face it there are many places in America where there is no virus. I live in Southern CA and I don't even know of anyone who suffered from the virus. My wife is the same, nobody she knows has become infected. I have cousins in upstate NY where I was born. Nobody there either. Why not let businesses in areas that are basically unaffected get back to work? Do we wait until America has no economy at all and then try to start up again?

I just heard on the radio news this morning that the state of Illinois, mostly Chicago wanted the federal government to use Billions of dollars in stimulus money to bail out the city of Chicago because it was over extended with regard to unions and retirement benefits. Now this has been going on for years because of the LIBERAL corrupt government in Chicago where the unions basically run the city. But now they are over extended and cannot pay retirees the money coming to them. They want you and me to give them our tax money to bail them out. I am totally against this. Chicago and other LIBERAL cities saw this coming 20 years or more ago and yet continued to knuckle under to the unions rather than just say NO. But what about in 20 more years. This BS will continue and you know it will. Why do taxpayers continue to bail out corrupt cities and politicians?

Having said that you know as well as I do that when election time comes up you Liberals will be blaming Trump for putting debt on our children and grandchildren to the tune of Trillions of dollars that were paid to Chicago and other corrupt cities. Once again it will be President Trump who gets blamed for the antics of corrupt Liberals. Sound fair?

Dennis
My friend just sent me the posting that I copied a... (show quote)

Another well stated and logical response to a nonsensical, knee jerk reply. You continue to bat 1000 against the anti-Trump faction.


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Apr 26, 2020 10:19:48   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Jade Warrior wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/magazine/rupert-murdoch-fox-news-trump.html


You went way to deep, if it’s not from MSM it didn’t happen

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Apr 26, 2020 10:22:24   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Who is in control? Who, Who, Who,?

I thought Trump was, but I guess I over estimated him.

Who is in control of this country right now today?


OMG, an owl and nobody has a camera. Darn it.

You know as well as I do that it is the individual states which have closed down the states, that have limited shopping to specific items in stores such as Home Depot. Some states are arresting citizens for sitting all alone on a beach, for playing frisbee in a park with their daughter. Now you know this is not Trump's doing and you and your Liberal friends will continue to assign blame to Trump. Now you can deny that all you want but surely you do know the reality.

Dennis

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Apr 26, 2020 10:28:11   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Of course I do. I know all about state's rights.

"Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

Please try to be reasonable in your assumptions.


So you agree that most of what the federal government does is unconstitutional.

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Apr 26, 2020 10:31:45   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My friend just sent me the posting that I copied and pasted. Believe me I am capable of agreeing with the post and have an idea but of course you will disagree because you are a Liberal.

I think for many Liberals, not all of course. Nothing is ever ALL. But in my opinion it is about controlling the citizens, you and me. Read what the post says. Are you not able to ask yourself, Hey, what IS it about opening up Home Depot but ONLY to purchase specific items? Why can't paint be sold, why not flower and vegetable seeds and plants? Do you have an answer for that? If Home Depot is open to sell some items then please tell me why it is not open to sell every item offered on their shelves?

I know you will not agree with me but my opinion is the Democrats have to do something to show that President Trump is not able to keep America economically sound. Can we at least agree that before the virus America was quite economically sound? Then by keeping businesses closed, by having a great many small and medium businesses fail completely the economy most likely will not recover until after the election. That has to make President Trump and his policies somewhat suspect doesn't it? Now who does it benefit that America's economy fails right before the election. C'mon now, only two choices.

The State shut down the government for our health to begin with but let's face it there are many places in America where there is no virus. I live in Southern CA and I don't even know of anyone who suffered from the virus. My wife is the same, nobody she knows has become infected. I have cousins in upstate NY where I was born. Nobody there either. Why not let businesses in areas that are basically unaffected get back to work? Do we wait until America has no economy at all and then try to start up again?

I just heard on the radio news this morning that the state of Illinois, mostly Chicago wanted the federal government to use Billions of dollars in stimulus money to bail out the city of Chicago because it was over extended with regard to unions and retirement benefits. Now this has been going on for years because of the LIBERAL corrupt government in Chicago where the unions basically run the city. But now they are over extended and cannot pay retirees the money coming to them. They want you and me to give them our tax money to bail them out. I am totally against this. Chicago and other LIBERAL cities saw this coming 20 years or more ago and yet continued to knuckle under to the unions rather than just say NO. But what about in 20 more years. This BS will continue and you know it will. Why do taxpayers continue to bail out corrupt cities and politicians?

Having said that you know as well as I do that when election time comes up you Liberals will be blaming Trump for putting debt on our children and grandchildren to the tune of Trillions of dollars that were paid to Chicago and other corrupt cities. Once again it will be President Trump who gets blamed for the antics of corrupt Liberals. Sound fair?

Dennis
My friend just sent me the posting that I copied a... (show quote)


You live in SoCal and don't know anyone affected by COVID. Have you considered the possibility that CA was early and aggressive in its shut down policies? After all, we now we know that the virus first showed up Santa Clara county and yet CA has the lowest per capita death raye than any other large population state. CA "flattened the curve" early, and did not have its health care infrastructure overwhelmed. That was no accident.

The last time I looked, CA had a lower death rate than FL and GA (check me on this--the last I looked was a week ago so my data may be old)--two States that are moving quickly to "not control" their citizens. Watch this data point as this plays out over the next couple of weeks. That will tell the story.

One more thing: Why would a state (even evil CA) shut down its own economy in order to "control" the citizenry? To what end? Even if you believe the fringe theory that liberals did this to harm Trump, do do you actually think that the evil libs in CA would be reelected if they shut down their own economy for a fatuous reason like this? That would flip CA (the state that gave us St. Ronald) back to red pretty fast, wouldn't it? Unless. of course, you think that Californians enjoy poverty more than the rest of the country. I do not think Californians like this recession any more than Georgians or Floridians.

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Apr 26, 2020 10:42:20   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Did he say he strongly disagreed and was angry at Kemp for opening up Georgia?
You want it both ways, and Trump does not know what he wants.


Trump knows exactly what he wants. He wants to take credit, rile up his combustible base, and avoid responsibility when his antics go wrong. His "liberate" tweets in state where the Governors were following his own guidelines are a perfect example. Oh, and now he disagrees with kemp after egging him on. He is scared shitless that Kemp's actions could turn into a catastrophe for GA and he does not want to be blamed.

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Apr 26, 2020 10:51:21   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Bazbo wrote:
You live in SoCal and don't know anyone affected by COVID. Have you considered the possibility that CA was early and aggressive in its shut down policies? After all, we now we know that the virus first showed up Santa Clara county and yet CA has the lowest per capita death raye than any other large population state. CA "flattened the curve" early, and did not have its health care infrastructure overwhelmed. That was no accident.

The last time I looked, CA had a lower death rate than FL and GA (check me on this--the last I looked was a week ago so my data may be old)--two States that are moving quickly to "not control" their citizens. Watch this data point as this plays out over the next couple of weeks. That will tell the story.

One more thing: Why would a state (even evil CA) shut down its own economy in order to "control" the citizenry? To what end? Even if you believe the fringe theory that liberals did this to harm Trump, do do you actually think that the evil libs in CA would be reelected if they shut down their own economy for a fatuous reason like this? That would flip CA (the state that gave us St. Ronald) back to red pretty fast, wouldn't it? Unless. of course, you think that Californians enjoy poverty more than the rest of the country. I do not think Californians like this recession any more than Georgians or Floridians.
You live in SoCal and don't know anyone affected b... (show quote)


Just checked the data. GA has twice the death rate of CA and FL has a significantly higher rate than CA but bot as high as GA.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

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Apr 26, 2020 11:00:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Re-read your opening post.
This conversation is now off topic, and has turned stupid.
Have a nice Sunday.


And don't they all in The Attic?

You too my friend,

Dennis

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Apr 26, 2020 11:15:05   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
dennis2146 wrote:
OMG, an owl and nobody has a camera. Darn it.

You know as well as I do that it is the individual states which have closed down the states, that have limited shopping to specific items in stores such as Home Depot. Some states are arresting citizens for sitting all alone on a beach, for playing frisbee in a park with their daughter. Now you know this is not Trump's doing and you and your Liberal friends will continue to assign blame to Trump. Now you can deny that all you want but surely you do know the reality.

Dennis
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