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Apr 23, 2020 14:33:37   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Brucej67 wrote:
Had both sold the 200-500mm not as sharp as the 80-400mm for me, purchased the Sigma 150-600mm Sports and it is sharper than the 200-500mm, but not the IQ of the 80-400mm for me.


Interesting, I found just the opposite. Interesting.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:37:49   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
billnikon wrote:
Ops. Found another one. Sorry.


Lost detail in the white.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:38:33   #
SoCal Dave
 
200-500 3 ED elements
80-400 4 ED elements - 1 Super ED element

ED Glass is an optical glass developed by Nikon that is used with normal optical glass in telephoto lenses to obtain optimum correction of chromatic aberrations. Super ED glass exhibits an even lower refractive index and lower light dispersion than ED glass, while excelling at eliminating secondary spectrum and correcting chromatic aberration.

Good glass costs money.

Hear Moose Peterson discuss the 80-400:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-nikkor-80-400mm-f%252f4.5-5.6-g-ed-vr.html#lightbox:/Video/Moose-Peterson-audio.mp4

Finally, the 80-400 accepts a common 77mm filter. The 200-500 takes a 95mm filter.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:41:58   #
CWGordon
 
I think the 200-500 is a fantastic lens. The price is unbelievable for the quality. My 80-400 may not be as good. However, it is excellent and much less weight to haul around. When I need more length I use either the 500f5.6 or the Tamron 150-600. Mine was the newer issue. Both are terrific lenses. I thought I would sell one or two of them, but so far cannot bring myself to part with any of the three. 80-400 is the “go to” lens for most purposes.
Good luck w/your choice.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:46:17   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Brucej67 wrote:
Lost detail in the white.


Not according to the judges at the Ohio State Fair, first place, imagine that.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:49:08   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
SoCal Dave wrote:
200-500 3 ED elements
80-400 4 ED elements - 1 Super ED element

ED Glass is an optical glass developed by Nikon that is used with normal optical glass in telephoto lenses to obtain optimum correction of chromatic aberrations. Super ED glass exhibits an even lower refractive index and lower light dispersion than ED glass, while excelling at eliminating secondary spectrum and correcting chromatic aberration.

Good glass costs money.

Hear Moose Peterson discuss the 80-400:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-nikkor-80-400mm-f%252f4.5-5.6-g-ed-vr.html#lightbox:/Video/Moose-Peterson-audio.mp4

Finally, the 80-400 accepts a common 77mm filter. The 200-500 takes a 95mm filter.
200-500 3 ED elements br 80-400 4 ED elements - 1 ... (show quote)


Sorry, I never have used a filter on my 80-400, 300 2.8, 200-400 4, 200-500 5.6, or 500 PF. Why? The front of the lens is already heavy, why would you add a filter to make it heavier.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:51:13   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
SoCal Dave wrote:
200-500 3 ED elements
80-400 4 ED elements - 1 Super ED element

ED Glass is an optical glass developed by Nikon that is used with normal optical glass in telephoto lenses to obtain optimum correction of chromatic aberrations. Super ED glass exhibits an even lower refractive index and lower light dispersion than ED glass, while excelling at eliminating secondary spectrum and correcting chromatic aberration.

Good glass costs money.

Hear Moose Peterson discuss the 80-400:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-nikkor-80-400mm-f%252f4.5-5.6-g-ed-vr.html#lightbox:/Video/Moose-Peterson-audio.mp4

Finally, the 80-400 accepts a common 77mm filter. The 200-500 takes a 95mm filter.
200-500 3 ED elements br 80-400 4 ED elements - 1 ... (show quote)


I have owned both the 80-400 I and II, after I bought the 200-500 I found, after many many exposures, that my images at 500 mm on the 200-500 were sharper than those at 400 mm on the 80-400.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:53:03   #
SoCal Dave
 
Often used with polarizer for foliage/water. It's less than an ounce.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:55:48   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
lensman1 wrote:
...bought the Nikon 200mm-500mm lens some years ago,
I love the lens, it's very sharp , but it's become very heavy to carry. I would like to purchase the
Nikon 80mm-400mm G lens since it's a lot lighter, for those of you who have it what is your opinion of it.
Is it as sharp as the the 200mm-500mm, it's quality etc...


Compare test shots done with the two lenses yourself...

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=915&Camera=614&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=1&LensComp=1035&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

At focal lengths they share:

400mm... To me they look very similar.
300mm... The 80-400mm G looks sharper, esp. in the corners and, to a lesser degree, the mid-frame.
200mm... The 80-400mm G is sharper throughout, especially in the corners and mid-frame.

Note that all these "tests" are significantly magnified (see: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Help/ISO-12233.aspx).

Also, all the comparisons I made were with the lenses at the max aperture, which is where most lenses are at their worst. Probably both would improve if stopped down a bit.

Comparisons are set up to show both lenses on the same 24MP camera model (FX). Higher resolution... or smaller format with the same 24MP, which makes for a more densely crowded sensor... may be more challenging for either lens. Alternative test shots for both lenses that were done with 36MP FX camera can be seen. Even higher resolution 46MP FX is also available to view, but only for one of the two lenses (the newer, 200-500mm), so comparison isn't possible.

Finally, the comparisons are on full frame (FX) camera. No tests were done with a crop sensor camera. If you happen to be using on a cropper (DX), the "corner" image quality comparisons shown will be irrelevant. The "mid-frame" will actually be the corners, after the crop that occurs on an APS-C camera.

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Apr 23, 2020 14:58:04   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
billnikon wrote:
Not according to the judges at the Ohio State Fair, first place, imagine that.


By detail in the feathers against the white. This may not be due to the lens could be technique, I tend to shoot towards the left as I can recover detail out of the highlight, but blowing the highlight you lose detail. The negative effect of this technique is if you look into shadows you can blow them.


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Apr 23, 2020 14:58:23   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
BILLNIKON,
Please... If your going to bad mouth the 80-400mm and brag about your 200-500mm at least show a high res shot of a bird in flight or something that is moving. The 80-400mm is know for it's tracking, something the 200-500mm is Not. Here's another Straight Out of Camera with No Sharpening added after or with, in camera sharpening. Bird in flight taken from a boat in motion, taken this last weekend. P.S. I have a few thousand shots like this. Let's compare shots/lens......The little bird in the nest is not within the focal plane so not sharp like the subject.
BILLNIKON, br Please... If your going to bad mouth... (show quote)


Ops, another one, sorry about that. Nikon D850, 1/2500 sec. f8, 200-500. Snowy Egret the moment he caught a minnow.



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Apr 23, 2020 14:59:52   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Brucej67 wrote:
By detail in the feathers against the white. This may not be due to the lens could be technique, I tend to shoot towards the left as I can recover detail out of the highlight, but blowing the highlight you lose detail. The negative effect of this technique is if you look into shadows you can blow them.


It appears your Great white Egret is a Great gray Egret.

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Apr 23, 2020 16:01:06   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
billnikon wrote:
It appears your Great white Egret is a Great gray Egret.


Only way to get detail.

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Apr 23, 2020 16:05:02   #
lschiz Loc: Elgin, IL
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Here is a sample shot from the 1st version of the 80-400, Handheld.... Looks pretty good to me


Yup! Id say excellent, notwithstanding other opinions.

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Apr 23, 2020 16:19:46   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Brucej67 wrote:
Only way to get detail.


But to change color on a white bird to get detail? There are other ways you know.

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