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Apr 21, 2020 16:13:54   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Longshadow wrote:
You'll just suck air in AROUND the mask, not THROUGH it, which is the point of trapping the virus.
If any part of a sneeze goes AROUND the mask However, it will stop more than no mask, but not all.
IF you're fogging up your glasses when you exhale, you should adjust the wire strap over your nose bridge to get a better seal. If you're drawing in air around the edges of your mask instead of through the fabric, then the fit is not correct and should be adjusted.
Several weeks ago we found a free pattern for cloth masks (my wife is well acquainted with her sewing machine). We made and adjusted several prototypes until settling on a final design (the outline with the optional darts). The ear-loop elastics were then custom fit, and a 16ga soft aluminum wire is sewn into the bridge of the nose. The masks are 3 layer - an outer decorative cloth fabric; a soft comfy inner layer, and between the 2 is a layer of a 'cloth' HEPA rated vacuum cleaner bag.
Upon inhalation, this mask does conform more tightly to the face, indicating a pretty good seal, with most of the air passing through the filter and cloth. On exhalation, my glasses don't fog up due to the wire seal.
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Longshadow's point is well taken - apparently the infectious dose of the SARS-CoV is quite low - however the rapidity of onset And the overall disease severity May be linked to the dose you're exposed to. So even though not 100% effective (none of us live in Level IV containment), anything you can do to decrease your exposure will be helpful. Wearing a mask may also help remind you to keep your fingers away from your nose and face.
On the patterns submitted, the Ear Loop elastic should be sewn in parallel to the upper and lower mask edges
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Credits for the original pattern can be seen printed on the mask patterns.

Man Mask
Man Mask...
(Download)

Woman & Teenager Mask
Woman & Teenager Mask...
(Download)

Small Child Mask
Small Child Mask...
(Download)





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Apr 21, 2020 16:58:53   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
AN UPSIDE to masks is you can stick your tongue out at people or make lewd motions with it without being seen!

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Apr 21, 2020 17:01:26   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
IF you're fogging up your glasses when you exhale, you should adjust the wire strap over your nose bridge to get a better seal....
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I did...
Maybe it was my glasses pressing on the mask.

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Apr 21, 2020 17:10:40   #
johnsnap1947 Loc: New Fairfield, CT
 
I noticed on tv that quite a few people congregating at out capitols demanding lifting of the quarantines were wearing face masks. HUH?

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Apr 21, 2020 17:44:04   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
johnsnap1947 wrote:
I noticed on tv that quite a few people congregating at out capitols demanding lifting of the quarantines were wearing face masks. HUH?
Well - Yeah. Repeal the 'stay at home' orders. But I'd still recommend adhering to social distancing, face coverings, and liberal use of hand sanitizers. Continue approving 'take out' orders from small businesses. If these folks were wearing face masks - they obviously 'get it'

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Apr 21, 2020 20:06:47   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
Well - Yeah. Repeal the 'stay at home' orders. But I'd still recommend adhering to social distancing, face coverings, and liberal use of hand sanitizers. Continue approving 'take out' orders from small businesses. If these folks were wearing face masks - they obviously 'get it'


Right, we want out of lock down, we are not stupid. Businesses can start operating again but still take precautions.

My wife says at our local Sam's they have a bunch of people in masks & gloves with trigger bottles of sanitizer and wipes going around cleaning all surfaces that people touch constantly. Each has an area to clean and when they reach the end they go back to the beginning of their area and start over. Just for the normal flu season that would be a good idea.

Get people back to work, but with safety measures. They have now found many jobs in offices can be done remotely. So have only the ones who have to be there actually present to maintain the IT stuff, service the Fax Machine (yes a lot still use them), a couple of bosses. Divide the full crew into 5 groups, hold a staff meeting a group each day Mon - Fri with strict precautions and masks, gloves, distancing etc. if needed.

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Apr 21, 2020 20:11:08   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Merlin1300 wrote:
IF you're fogging up your glasses when you exhale, you should adjust the wire strap over your nose bridge to get a better seal. If you're drawing in air around the edges of your mask instead of through the fabric, then the fit is not correct and should be adjusted.
Several weeks ago we found a free pattern for cloth masks (my wife is well acquainted with her sewing machine). We made and adjusted several prototypes until settling on a final design (the outline with the optional darts). The ear-loop elastics were then custom fit, and a 16ga soft aluminum wire is sewn into the bridge of the nose. The masks are 3 layer - an outer decorative cloth fabric; a soft comfy inner layer, and between the 2 is a layer of a 'cloth' HEPA rated vacuum cleaner bag.
Upon inhalation, this mask does conform more tightly to the face, indicating a pretty good seal, with most of the air passing through the filter and cloth. On exhalation, my glasses don't fog up due to the wire seal.
-
Longshadow's point is well taken - apparently the infectious dose of the SARS-CoV is quite low - however the rapidity of onset And the overall disease severity May be linked to the dose you're exposed to. So even though not 100% effective (none of us live in Level IV containment), anything you can do to decrease your exposure will be helpful. Wearing a mask may also help remind you to keep your fingers away from your nose and face.
On the patterns submitted, the Ear Loop elastic should be sewn in parallel to the upper and lower mask edges
-
Credits for the original pattern can be seen printed on the mask patterns.
IF you're fogging up your glasses when you exhale,... (show quote)


I just read an article, one of the major universities in China has been testing all kinds of people and have found that there are at least 30 strains of the virus and more mutating constantly. Some get passed on very easy, some not so easy, some are severe, some mild, some they don't even know they are sick.

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Apr 21, 2020 20:20:42   #
johnsnap1947 Loc: New Fairfield, CT
 
Well it doesn't appear to me that those individuals were following the distance guidelines. Looked like there was about 500 people gathered in a close group. I'm all for going back to work as long as the rules are followed as stated above.
I just wanted to mention that they were all standing next to each other. Only about 5 out of the whole group were wearing a masks.
That was my only point.

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Apr 21, 2020 20:22:12   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Just found another problem wearing masks.
Our power went out so I had to call a local restaurant for a curbside pickup meal.
My glasses don't fit well over the mask. The mask pushes them upwards just a bit. That bit is enough so I'm looking out the bottom of the lenses. Since I'm wearing bifocals, that means I'm not seeing the road well.

Finally just took off the glasses and drove carefully.

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Apr 21, 2020 20:28:08   #
johnsnap1947 Loc: New Fairfield, CT
 
Also I see a lot of people who only cover their mouths but not their noses. They find it easier to breath that way. Mistake.

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Apr 21, 2020 20:32:52   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
johnsnap1947 wrote:
Also I see a lot of people who only cover their mouths but not their noses.
They find it easier to breath that way. Mistake.
Easy to Breathe ==> poor protection. Darwin Awards Await.

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Apr 21, 2020 21:12:05   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Just found another problem wearing masks.
Our power went out so I had to call a local restaurant for a curbside pickup meal.
My glasses don't fit well over the mask. The mask pushes them upwards just a bit. That bit is enough so I'm looking out the bottom of the lenses. Since I'm wearing bifocals, that means I'm not seeing the road well.

Finally just took off the glasses and drove carefully.


Has anyone suggested or mandated wearing a mask in your own car if you are driving by yourself. If so, why?

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Apr 21, 2020 23:31:12   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
hj wrote:
Has anyone suggested or mandated wearing a mask in your own car if you are driving by yourself.
I don't think so - - and any state that did would be proof positive of politician brain damage.
Even if I'm in the car with my wife, we're much closer than a mask would protect.
But - when we get OUT of the car - - it's Mask On, (and later - Mask Off)

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Apr 22, 2020 08:25:17   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
hj wrote:
Has anyone suggested or mandated wearing a mask in your own car if you are driving by yourself. If so, why?


I was going from one place to another, a short distance.

The mask is a PITA to put on and off.

Once I was done with the short trips, I took it off in the car for the trip home.

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Apr 22, 2020 08:35:11   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I was going from one place to another, a short distance.

The mask is a PITA to put on and off.

Once I was done with the short trips, I took it off in the car for the trip home.


Totally agree. I do the same. I chuckle when I see people posting derogatory memes on Facebook about people driving in cars by themselves with masks on. Keep it on for short trips between stops.

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