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Apr 20, 2020 12:03:53   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
Longshadow wrote:

The air is not going through the mask, it's going around it!


Frankly, it is doing both.
However I think we should have a 6, no 8 page discussion about it!

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Apr 20, 2020 12:08:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ggab wrote:
Frankly, it is doing both.
However I think we should have a 6, no 8 page discussion about it!

Only two so far.
Going slow. Not as controversial as the Covid-19 threads. One is up to 30 pages.

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Apr 21, 2020 06:31:54   #
medphotog Loc: Witness protection land
 
I saw this somewhere on the "innernets." I'm really not too sure how well it would work with moisture buildup. I know how regular masks soft/damp after a couple of hours of wear. Many moons ago I went to school with a deaf/hard of hearing student that really hated having an interpreter in class. He'd always "tell" the instructor he couldn't see their lips while they were facing the board. He had one hel.. uh, heck of a time when he interned in the OR. I don't recall much but I think there was an article about Tom being the first deaf/HoH medical photographer in the country in the alumni magazine.



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Apr 21, 2020 07:57:05   #
Bpelzl Loc: E Texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
One of the downsides of masks is my inability to see peoples' lips when they talk. I guess my hearing isn't what it used to be, and I realize that I rely somewhat on watching lips as people talk. Still, I'd rather be alive and not understand conversation, rather than be dead with excellent hearing.


Have your hearing checked. I finally had mine checked and yes, I was marginal for needing aids but I got them, and 6 years later I am on my second set.

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Apr 21, 2020 08:09:54   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Cheap dust masks are not adequate protection for much of anything. The issue of facial sealing is real. Masks that do not seal do not meet OSHA standards when it comes to things like restricted pesticide application. I have no firefighting training but it is my understanding that firefighters have similar problems with breathing gear. They need to protect against smoke inhalation, particularly since there are many fires that can produce toxic fumes. Protection for COVID-19 is something I would consider similar. People who apply pesticides using masks that do not meet requirements can be subject to penalties.

Facial hair is one of the main culprits in masks that don't fit. If a person has facial hair that interferes with the sealing, it is recommended to apply vaseline to the area to help seal it off. Messy, but effective.

The internet is full of examples of "creative" masks, making up for lack of proper equipment availability. While a multilayer homemade cloth mask is better than nothing, the wearer should understand its limits.

One main problem with the N95 masks mentioned so frequently is that they were originally designed for one-time use. They were not designed to withstand sterilization. Hospitals are not starting to sanitize the masks, but it takes specialized equipment to avoid damaging the mask.


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Apr 21, 2020 08:15:33   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
It makes a big difference seeing a person’s lips when talking to help understand what’s being said.

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Apr 21, 2020 08:40:43   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
jerryc41 wrote:
One of the downsides of masks is my inability to see peoples' lips when they talk. I guess my hearing isn't what it used to be, and I realize that I rely somewhat on watching lips as people talk. Still, I'd rather be alive and not understand conversation, rather than be dead with excellent hearing.


Same with me. And isn't it something like 50% (or more) of verbal communication between people, consists of facial expressions?

On the other hand, if you wanted to rob a bank, this is the time to do it. Police: "Can you describe the thief?" Bank Teller: "Not really; he wore a cap, sun glasses and face mask plus he wore gloves so there are no fingerprints."

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Apr 21, 2020 08:48:50   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
Yup! can't see where I'm going,
BTW Printed Masks are available on Fine Art America site, got the notice on Saturday, here is a link to my efforts if your interested
https://robert-mcculloch.pixels.com/shop/face+masks



What is the delivery time on these? I ordered some masks online weeks ago, and paid for expedited shipping - they are due next week!

My own thoughts on masks like this is that they are as much use against a virus as a baseball bat! However, I was informed by my local grocery store that they will not allow anyone to enter without a mask... I do still want to eat, so...

I found this picture on the web...



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Apr 21, 2020 10:11:01   #
Bob Werre
 
When I was a teen we tore down a old garage. the shingles were wooden and are best removed with a flat spade shovel from the bottom up. I was up there for maybe three minutes before hay fever took over. I wrapped my face in a wet cloth and was good until it dried out. Wet and squeezed the water out till relatively clean. I've used that trick for unloaded grain trucks, dealing with concrete clients and working in tall weeds too since that time. I'd be a terrible farmer for sure; but it's always worked as the fabric helped fill the cloth weave I suppose.

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Apr 21, 2020 10:13:47   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
jerryc41 wrote:
One of the downsides of masks is my inability to see peoples' lips when they talk. I guess my hearing isn't what it used to be, and I realize that I rely somewhat on watching lips as people talk. Still, I'd rather be alive and not understand conversation, rather than be dead with excellent hearing.



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Apr 21, 2020 10:46:21   #
Dannj
 
Have you tried listening louder?

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Apr 21, 2020 11:04:05   #
drobvit Loc: Southern NV
 
Shellback wrote:
If your glasses are fogging up, the mask is not sealing properly on your face and that's not good.


👍Wore a lot of masks during my career. If you get the metal band adjusted properly, your glasses won't fog. Of course, there is always an NBC mask, sans glasses.....

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Apr 21, 2020 12:07:31   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
Remember That when you sneeze or cough into the mask you are wearing it has now become contaminated and you are breathing in what ever your body was trying to get rid of. Coughing or sneezing is the body's way of getting rid of an irritant. It is best to have multiple masks with you and wash/sanitize the contaminated one(s) as they become contaminated.

As far as OSHA goes there is no requirement for Joe citizen to be fitted with a respirator/mask, that requirement is only for companies that deal with or use hazardous products. It has always amazed me that Joe citizen could walk into a box store and purchase a respirator with out being properly fitted which also includes a medical before being fitted. Not every one can wear a respirator.

The N95 mask is classed as a respirator even though it is MFG. as a nuisance dust mask. The difference between a mask and respirator is the number of straps used to hold it to your face. And yes the amount of facial hair on your face affects the sealing of the mask/respirator.

Before anyone goes and gets upset about this read CFR 1910.134 (CFR=Code of Federal Regulations), each state will have a similar section in there labor codes. The states code must be equal to or greater than the Federal Code.

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Apr 21, 2020 14:14:14   #
CaptainBobBrown
 
Went to see my oncologist yesterday and he was frustrated because he's a bit hard of hearing and we (my wife, I, & Dr.) were all wearing masks and he finally said "Its hard to understand having to talk through these masks." I replied "Yes, but we need you here alive and well now so we'll keep on with the masks." He nodded, put the mask back over his face and we went on like that repeating everything as necessary.

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Apr 21, 2020 14:33:10   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
jerryc41 wrote:
One of the downsides of masks is my inability to see peoples' lips when they talk. ......
On the Plus side, there are a lot of people I don't want to hear at all!

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