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Apr 18, 2020 19:23:17   #
btbg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
If it is true, that everything that the WHO knew from December 31, 2019, the Trump administration also knew——in real time; and that Trump has lied in making the WHO a scapegoat to cover his own failure to take the virus seriously; he is truly guilty of a murderous lie.

Hard to believe, that a man, any man, could be such a coward.


Well, given that one of WHO's virologists made news last week saying that she told them that it was transmitted from human to human months before WHO admitted that I question your source.

Also Taiwan warned WHO that China was lying and WHO didn't even investigate. They just took China's word and ignored Taiwan since China doesn't recognize Taiwan WHO didn't either.

China is primarily to blame, but WHO certainly undersold the problem early on.

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Apr 18, 2020 19:49:20   #
EyeSawYou
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
You are perceptive. And your priorities are in place, for sure.


Hey, if you are going to insult someone's ability to read, you should be sure that your grammar is correct.

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Apr 18, 2020 19:50:05   #
EyeSawYou
 
DaveO wrote:
The little fly is at it again!. Rolling on the floor should be next!


Lol Your obsession with me is on full display again. Lol

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Apr 18, 2020 19:55:44   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
btbg wrote:
Well, given that one of WHO's virologists made news last week saying that she told them that it was transmitted from human to human months before WHO admitted that I question your source.

Also Taiwan warned WHO that China was lying and WHO didn't even investigate. They just took China's word and ignored Taiwan since China doesn't recognize Taiwan WHO didn't either.

China is primarily to blame, but WHO certainly undersold the problem early on.


Yeah, and the Man Trump certainly "undersold" the problem as well as evidenced by many of his quotes. One the comes to mind on January 22, 2020 OUR President lied to the American people that "We have it under control. It's just one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It will be just fine."

So, there were lies and bad information, but what should be the unforgivable lies are the ones from our President---not China, or the WHO.

Trump, the elected President, was clearly underplaying the situation to protect his image and the economy. He then used the WHO as a scapegoat for his failings.

38,000 dead people, and still counting by the hour.

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Apr 18, 2020 19:57:58   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
No he didn't you liar.


Oh he did you poor thing. Hey why don’t you go to a rally.

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Apr 18, 2020 20:45:59   #
btbg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Yeah, and the Man Trump certainly "undersold" the problem as well as evidenced by many of his quotes. One the comes to mind on January 22, 2020 OUR President lied to the American people that "We have it under control. It's just one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It will be just fine."

So, there were lies and bad information, but what should be the unforgivable lies are the ones from our President---not China, or the WHO.

Trump, the elected President, was clearly underplaying the situation to protect his image and the economy. He then used the WHO as a scapegoat for his failings.

38,000 dead people, and still counting by the hour.
Yeah, and the Man Trump certainly "undersold&... (show quote)


Why do you blame Trump more than China and WHO? If they hadn't screwed up we wouldn't have a problem now. China somehow let it out of their lab, then lied about the severity of the virus, while WHO failed to listen to the people who could tell them the truth and instead chose to believe everything China said.

When Trump banned travel from China all the Dems complained that he was being racist. Now the same Dems are complaining that he didn't do enough.

So, which one is it. Put the blame where it belongs. China and then WHO.

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Apr 18, 2020 21:07:56   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
btbg wrote:
Why do you blame Trump more than China and WHO? If they hadn't screwed up we wouldn't have a problem now. China somehow let it out of their lab, then lied about the severity of the virus, while WHO failed to listen to the people who could tell them the truth and instead chose to believe everything China said.

When Trump banned travel from China all the Dems complained that he was being racist. Now the same Dems are complaining that he didn't do enough.

So, which one is it. Put the blame where it belongs. China and then WHO.
Why do you blame Trump more than China and WHO? If... (show quote)


Our President lied to us. What is so difficult to understand? He is our trusted leader. China cannot be trusted, the WHO is a bureaucracy that might or might not be honorable.

But our President is something different.
He downplayed the serverity of the virus to protect his image and the economy He said it would go away with the warm April weather, even that a "miracle" might occur.

Sadly, he was terribly, terribly, wrong--and dishonest. And now today, the economy is in shambles, 22 million people are unemployed, and 38000 Americans are dead. And now he gives the authority to open the economy to the governors, without a national testing program---all to deflect the blame from him when the virus surges next month with increased infections.
The man is a fake, and a liar. The Man never takes responsibility for any negative, and spends most of his talking energy on blaming someone else for whatever happens.
He attacks anybody and everybody to divert blame.
Today, he even attacked John Kerry out of the blue about the Iran deal.
He is a loose canon. He wings it everyday, hoping something good happens.

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Apr 18, 2020 21:45:15   #
btbg
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Our President lied to us. What is so difficult to understand? He is our trusted leader. China cannot be trusted, the WHO is a bureaucracy that might or might not be honorable.

But our President is something different.
He downplayed the serverity of the virus to protect his image and the economy He said it would go away with the warm April weather, even that a "miracle" might occur.

Sadly, he was terribly, terribly, wrong--and dishonest. And now today, the economy is in shambles, 22 million people are unemployed, and 38000 Americans are dead. And now he gives the authority to open the economy to the governors, without a national testing program---all to deflect the blame from him when the virus surges next month with increased infections.
The man is a fake, and a liar. The Man never takes responsibility for any negative, and spends most of his talking energy on blaming someone else for whatever happens.
He attacks anybody and everybody to divert blame.
Today, he even attacked John Kerry out of the blue about the Iran deal.
He is a loose canon. He wings it everyday, hoping something good happens.
Our President lied to us. What is so difficult to ... (show quote)


And you are trying to say that it is Trump's fault that our economy is in shambles. If he had shut things down earlier the economy would be even worse now.

Your hatred for the man is preventing you from thinking logically. The same for the Post. In their own article that gives Trump three Pinocchios they list at least nine facts that Trump got right. Bet you didn't pick up on that did you?

If you look closely, Trump got all of the following right.


That the WHO's initial alert from December 31st, 2019 about the virus indicated that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission, in spite of warnings from the Taiwanese CDC that this might have been possible. The Washington Post fact check dismisses this as irrelevant because "at best, we're talking about the last two days in December" that the WHO might have been warned. However, the fact check goes on to note:
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 5, 2020, which stated, "Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no significant evidence of human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported."
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 9, 2020, which stated, "According to Chinese authorities, the virus in question can cause severe illness in some patients and does not transmit readily between people."
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 12, 2020, which stated, "At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission."
After Thailand announced its first imported case of the coronavirus, the WHO issued a release on Jan. 13, 2020, which stated, "The way these patients became infected is not yet known. To date, there has been no suggestion of human to human transmission of this new coronavirus. There have been no infections reported among health care workers, which can be an early indicator of person to person spread."
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 14, which stated, "Based on the available information there is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. No additional cases have been detected since 3 January 2020 in China."
On Jan. 14, WHO tweeted, "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China."
On Jan. 14, WHO held a news briefing, at which WHO's head of the emerging diseases unit stated, "From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission."
On Jan. 19 2020, WHO issued another tweet, which still stated that there was only the possibility of "some limited human-to-human transmission occurring between close contacts."
On Jan. 20, 2020, WHO issued their first statement indicating that they may have been erroneous in their previous pronouncements, stating, "It is now very clear from the latest information that there is at least some human-to-human transmission of #nCov2019. Infections among health care workers strengthen the evidence for this."

The piece blaming Trump goes on to say "The WHO could have highlighted the human-to-human transmission sooner than it did and pressed China for more information." Yet it still calls Trump the liar instead of China and WHO. You should actually read with comprehension because the facts in the Post article demonstrate that Trump was much closer to right than people are willing to admit.

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Apr 18, 2020 22:16:24   #
foodie65
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
You should use other sources other than the Washington Post


Certainly, this would never appear on FOX News

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Apr 18, 2020 22:19:54   #
foodie65
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
You guys are incredible. Did anybody read the article?
This is about fifteen Trump administration officials working with the WHO On the virus since December 31, 2019; and Trump subsequently using the WHO as a scapegoat blaming them for not informing him of the seriousness of the problem . He knew everything the WHO knew in real time, and knew it through the 15 officials that were a part of the administration and worked directly with the WHO on the corona virus.
This is about nothing else.
Please stick to the issue.
You guys are incredible. Did anybody read the arti... (show quote)


Save your breath, the fat cult leader can do no harm

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Apr 18, 2020 22:42:13   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Hey, if you are going to insult someone's ability to read, you should be sure that your grammar is correct.


You are aware that reading and grammar are different things? Pretty picky for someone who never posts anything without at least one and usually more typos.

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Apr 18, 2020 22:45:09   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
btbg wrote:
And you are trying to say that it is Trump's fault that our economy is in shambles. If he had shut things down earlier the economy would be even worse now.

Your hatred for the man is preventing you from thinking logically. The same for the Post. In their own article that gives Trump three Pinocchios they list at least nine facts that Trump got right. Bet you didn't pick up on that did you?

If you look closely, Trump got all of the following right.


That the WHO's initial alert from December 31st, 2019 about the virus indicated that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission, in spite of warnings from the Taiwanese CDC that this might have been possible. The Washington Post fact check dismisses this as irrelevant because "at best, we're talking about the last two days in December" that the WHO might have been warned. However, the fact check goes on to note:
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 5, 2020, which stated, "Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no significant evidence of human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported."
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 9, 2020, which stated, "According to Chinese authorities, the virus in question can cause severe illness in some patients and does not transmit readily between people."
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 12, 2020, which stated, "At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission."
After Thailand announced its first imported case of the coronavirus, the WHO issued a release on Jan. 13, 2020, which stated, "The way these patients became infected is not yet known. To date, there has been no suggestion of human to human transmission of this new coronavirus. There have been no infections reported among health care workers, which can be an early indicator of person to person spread."
The WHO issued a news release on Jan. 14, which stated, "Based on the available information there is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. No additional cases have been detected since 3 January 2020 in China."
On Jan. 14, WHO tweeted, "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China."
On Jan. 14, WHO held a news briefing, at which WHO's head of the emerging diseases unit stated, "From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission."
On Jan. 19 2020, WHO issued another tweet, which still stated that there was only the possibility of "some limited human-to-human transmission occurring between close contacts."
On Jan. 20, 2020, WHO issued their first statement indicating that they may have been erroneous in their previous pronouncements, stating, "It is now very clear from the latest information that there is at least some human-to-human transmission of #nCov2019. Infections among health care workers strengthen the evidence for this."

The piece blaming Trump goes on to say "The WHO could have highlighted the human-to-human transmission sooner than it did and pressed China for more information." Yet it still calls Trump the liar instead of China and WHO. You should actually read with comprehension because the facts in the Post article demonstrate that Trump was much closer to right than people are willing to admit.
And you are trying to say that it is Trump's fault... (show quote)


Maybe this is why an amateur shouldn't be president of the USA.

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Apr 18, 2020 22:47:11   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
btbg wrote:
Why do you blame Trump more than China and WHO? If they hadn't screwed up we wouldn't have a problem now. China somehow let it out of their lab, then lied about the severity of the virus, while WHO failed to listen to the people who could tell them the truth and instead chose to believe everything China said.

When Trump banned travel from China all the Dems complained that he was being racist. Now the same Dems are complaining that he didn't do enough.

So, which one is it. Put the blame where it belongs. China and then WHO.
Why do you blame Trump more than China and WHO? If... (show quote)


Trump had a duty to American citizens and residents that China doesn't have.

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Apr 18, 2020 23:28:49   #
btbg
 
thom w wrote:
Trump had a duty to American citizens and residents that China doesn't have.


And unlike China Trump has done his job. He has the highest approval rating of his presidency despite the negative press, the do nothing Dems in congress and the virus.

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Apr 19, 2020 00:08:19   #
EyeSawYou
 
thom w wrote:
You are aware that reading and grammar are different things? Pretty picky for someone who never posts anything without at least one and usually more typos.


Why do you always come up with such Stupid responses?

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