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Apr 14, 2020 19:16:59   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
rehess wrote:
Right now, I don't know of a more deadly modern virus here; in my state, in three months we already have lost three times as many people to this virus than we lost in six months to the flu this season. Yes, sometimes the flu has had a higher 'estimated' death toll after the six month flu season has ended, but we don't have any 'estimated' total of those who were not counted this virus.

The purpose of testing is not to identify those who are not infected, but to get back to putting those who are infected under quarantine; right now, the guy slinging hash at the local diner and then purchasing perfume for his girlfriend could be infected and we would never know. Hopefully we will eventually have some kind of vaccine. Then those who want protection have a chance of getting it - those of all stripes who don't want it are on their own. Right now I do not have a choice other than hiding out myself; my daughter, who works in retail, has no way of protecting her fiance {who has just one working lung and is very vulnerable}.
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You may want to look at the CDC site for a list of 'deadly' virus numbers. I am sure you would be shocked...

Meantime, even in states/communities like PA, the quarantine does NOT cause everybody to stay home or even to wear a mask in public areas. That is the problem - if I tell you you are contagious and you choose to interact with people because you are asymptomatic, you have accomplished nothing through testing in terms of limiting exposure. That is why am NOT against testing but simply saying its not the answer that those who jump up and down saying we need it often think it is because they keep hearing on the media that testing is the answer. I believe even WITH testing the answer is to isolate as much as possible but the answer is fast tracking (within acceptable risk parameters) and getting vaccines to the public. Thats the actual answer

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Apr 14, 2020 19:29:41   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
custodian wrote:
Why dont the politicians and businesses learn a lesson from this and make our stuff in the good ol USA! Look what china has done to us!! Its called germ warfare and yet we will still rely on them. Who are the dumb ones


The primary concern of politicians is not what's best for the country, it's re-election.

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Apr 14, 2020 19:34:09   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
PGHphoto wrote:
You may want to look at the CDC site for a list of 'deadly' virus numbers. I am sure you would be shocked...

Meantime, even in states/communities like PA, the quarantine does NOT cause everybody to stay home or even to wear a mask in public areas. That is the problem - if I tell you you are contagious and you choose to interact with people because you are asymptomatic, you have accomplished nothing through testing in terms of limiting exposure. That is why am NOT against testing but simply saying its not the answer that those who jump up and down saying we need it often think it is because they keep hearing on the media that testing is the answer. I believe even WITH testing the answer is to isolate as much as possible but the answer is fast tracking (within acceptable risk parameters) and getting vaccines to the public. Thats the actual answer
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In this country, we have not had virus loose of this potential in many years. We have had several dangerous viruses on our continent, but this is the first one in many years to become loose with no vaccine available - quarantine the source is the best answer, but this one snuck around our officials.

The value of testing is in isolation. If a person tests as positive, the public health officials will order him/her into quarantine. But we don't have that testing yet. Aren't we on the same page on this?? Vaccine would also protect us, but the experts say that is at least a year away. I don't see any real disagreement between us?

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Apr 14, 2020 20:26:48   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The primary concern of politicians is not what's best for the country, it's re-election.


One last chance for me to annoy everybody...then I am done.

Why just blame the politicians ? Do you shop at Walmart ? Many do. The reason ? Low prices. I do not know current percentages but at one time something in the range of 85% of the Walmart products were made in China.

When the government subsidizes industry as in China, labor costs are really low. So more products can be made for the same cost as in the US with unionized labor. Put together with the greed of many American companies, its easy to see why companies outsource their labor to China. To risk sounding like a Trump supporter, that is what he was trying to fix by increasing tariffs. I live in a steel town that had China dumping low cost steel causing major economic damage. Yet, the media presented the president as being stupid and not understanding the manufacturing issues of this country. Because he was 'inciting' a trade war.

So not just China, Labor, Politicians or Corporations - If you refuse to support Chinese products and were willing to pay a bit more, guess who would start manufacturing in the US ?????? Everybody ! Then again, unless the price of good made over there was the same as here, why would any corp choose to make less money ?

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Apr 14, 2020 20:37:13   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
PGHphoto wrote:
One last chance for me to annoy everybody...than I am done.

Why just blame the politicians ? Do you shop at Walmart ? Many do. The reason ? Low prices. I do not know current percentages but at one time something in the range of 85% of the Walmart products were made in China.

When the government subsidizes industry as in China, labor costs are really low. So more products can be made for the same cost as in the US with unionized labor. Put together with the greed of many American companies, Its easy to see why companies outsource their labor to China. To risk sounding like a Trump supporter, that is what he was trying to do by increasing tariffs. I live in a steel town that had China dumping low cost steel causing major economic damage. Yet, the media presented the president as being stupid and not understanding the manufacturing issues of this country. Because he was 'inciting' a trade war.
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Ironically, I can remember when WalMart was on a “Buy American” thing. They also had a phone number you could call if the checkout lines were more than three long. I’m guessing that all ended when Sam Walton died. We don’t have a reason to go there any more - so we don’t.

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Apr 14, 2020 23:39:57   #
robertj
 
boberic wrote:
First a few facts, regarding risks. THose undr the age of 70, are at lower risk. The co-morbidities that increase risk are. Vascular disease, Lung Disease, and diabetes. Therefore not having any of those problems further rdeuces risk. As a group if you consider all those reductions of risks, the likelyhood of dying from the virus is something like .02% So, getting back to work need not all at once. Parts of thyeworking public can return to work immediatly. Anothyer part a delay, and the rest after the last delay. In other words , it need not be all at once. Think of it as a light bulb. On all at once or like 3 way bulb. One more thing to consider. Since healthy children are not in any of those high risk groups school can begin immediatly. The death rate from the panic as a result of increased opioid overdose and from suicide in depressives is on the increase as a result of the panic. So we may be entering that time where the cure is worse than the disease..
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Please do not reply on the BS being spread by amateurs, Russian bots, and the ignorant online. Get your information from scientists at credible sources. There are many of them. Pick a few and pay attention.

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Apr 15, 2020 00:45:56   #
Mr Quark
 
Check out Worldometers.info . The stats there are quite interesting; especially in regard to Covid 19 deaths . There are a bunch of other causes of death that are beyond belief when you start comparing. It makes you wonder who really is behind the scare of virus and why????? Why are we reacting the way we are to this virus; when we have never before shut down the country.

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Apr 15, 2020 02:11:37   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
PGHphoto wrote:
One last chance for me to annoy everybody...then I am done.

Why just blame the politicians ? Do you shop at Walmart ? Many do. The reason ? Low prices. I do not know current percentages but at one time something in the range of 85% of the Walmart products were made in China.

When the government subsidizes industry as in China, labor costs are really low. So more products can be made for the same cost as in the US with unionized labor. Put together with the greed of many American companies, its easy to see why companies outsource their labor to China. To risk sounding like a Trump supporter, that is what he was trying to fix by increasing tariffs. I live in a steel town that had China dumping low cost steel causing major economic damage. Yet, the media presented the president as being stupid and not understanding the manufacturing issues of this country. Because he was 'inciting' a trade war.

So not just China, Labor, Politicians or Corporations - If you refuse to support Chinese products and were willing to pay a bit more, guess who would start manufacturing in the US ?????? Everybody ! Then again, unless the price of good made over there was the same as here, why would any corp choose to make less money ?
One last chance for me to annoy everybody...then I... (show quote)


This is so true. Where is the time we bought good quality products that would last instead of cheap throw away products from China (not so cheap after all). I don't blame China (other than them underpaying their workers) , they just make use of us people that don't want to spend their money sensibly.

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Apr 15, 2020 08:12:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Check any reliable source of Covid-19 stats. Remember when US deaths were under 500 and the experts were warning of such large numbers? The really large numbers are becoming less likely because of our ‘sheltering at home’, but US deaths are still way too high. We seem to be accomplishing our goal of not swamping the hospital system, but this is still a deadly easy-to-catch virus which can hide in otherwise normal-looking citizens.

Most likely we will have to maintain our careful lifestyles until we have testing ability, which will allow us to identify and quarantine those ‘carriers’.

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Apr 15, 2020 10:57:26   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
Mr Quark wrote:
There are a bunch of other causes of death that are beyond belief when you start comparing. It makes you wonder who really is behind the scare of virus and why????? Why are we reacting the way we are to this virus; when we have never before shut down the country.

Good question with a simple answer: None of those other causes of death overwhelms the healthcare system.

The fear with covid-19, was that we have a new virus to which every person is susceptible. And this virus spreads more readily than the flu.
To make things worse, people can be infected but have no symptoms, and therefore transmit the virus widely without knowing it. So large numbers of people become infected within a short period of time.
The risk: more seriously ill people needing hospitalization but the hospital system is already full.
The result: the death toll rises exponentially due to lack of care.

With all current measures taken, our healthcare system thus far has been able to care for all who need it. And the U.S. death toll overall is about 8 per 100,000 population, as compared to 35/100,000 in Spain, 40/100,000 in Italy, 55/100,000 in NY state and 91/100,000 in NYC.

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Apr 15, 2020 12:05:03   #
CWGordon
 
David: That was a very clear and straightforward comment. I hope that this message of yours makes the issue readily understood by many who have not previously been privy to such straight forward information.

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Apr 15, 2020 12:10:03   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Rusty69 wrote:
128 is still enough to be worried about. It is in fact 128 too many!


No doubt, but when you look at NYC daily death stats for other “stuff” Tha didn’t shut down the complete economy, it makes you wonder.

For anyone thinking of a shutdown until there are ten days with no COVID deaths (yes, one governor is saying this!), How long before our society collapses?

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Apr 15, 2020 12:12:11   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
GeorgeFenwick wrote:
So, Cykdelic believes that individuals having medical issues don’t count in the mortality statistics somehow? Wow! So having things like diabetes or COPD or high blood pressure or, or, or...all mean that dying with coronavirus should not count in coronavirus data? How very enlightened.



So, GeorgeFenwick either can’t read or likes to put words I other peoples mouths?

I don’t recall saying that at all...based on your post I would say your abilities to analyze and comprehend are severely lacking and dishonest.

Grow up.

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Apr 15, 2020 12:14:04   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
michaelsinger wrote:
Funny, you sound like Donald Trump and that doesn't sound good. Testing,testing, testing. is the only way to get a handle on this pandemic. And he lies about how much we are doing. That's what the scientists say. Your logic is just that logic disconnected from the real world, just like our president. Your suggestions about who can and who shouldn't go back to work will only bring us a new wave of disease. China which loosened the quarenteen is now reporting new cases. WHAT A SURPRISE!!!! What you are spreading is silly if it weren't so deadly. Stop it. Stay home and please stop these half-truths which will only cause more pain.
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Your a liar.

I watch daily as the scientists talk about this, and your OPINION as stated above is belied by THEIR words. Go get some data and leave your opinion in the gutter.

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Apr 15, 2020 12:14:51   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Rusty69 wrote:
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2020/03/09/upmc-works-toward-its-own-covid-19-test-but-thats.html

...test have shown to be ????? On mice?????? Come on fellow let's all take a deep breath and drop the politics.


Maybe you should do the same.

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