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Apr 13, 2020 17:10:53 #
thom w
Loc: San Jose, CA
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
If you understand the derating for safety reasons ... (show quote)
Came late and didn’t bother to read the whole thing I see.
Apr 13, 2020 17:17:38 #
thom w wrote:
Came late and didn’t bother to read the whole thing I see.
Folks in the water add very little weight to a raft, they only hold on and many displace more water than than their body eight. I could see a problem with hypothermia in chilly water and maybe even a hungry shark, but I would give it a try as opposed to letting 20 people perish.
Apr 13, 2020 18:27:27 #
The original post gives all the information needed. If you do not chose 20 people then all 40 will die.
Apr 14, 2020 16:37:32 #
thom w wrote:
Your “thinking” has the possibility of killing all of them. I know you think of yourself as macho and able to handle anything, but against the laws of physics, you are nothing.
Point out my mistake little girl. Wait! First loosen up your panties so they don't negatively affect your thinking. Twenty people hanging onto the outside of a boat designed to carry twenty people inside should not make that much of a negative difference when thinking of the buoyancy the water offers and the people just hanging on the side. Do you disagree with that? OR are you just offering something negative in an attempt to save what very little face you might have left. There is no disgrace to being wrong occasionally as you often are. The disgrace is being wrong as you are and then trying to cover it up by continuing to go along with the wrong answer as if you know something I don't.
I have not ever even taken physics waffle boy but I do believe if the twenty people are not actually in or on the boat but just hanging on to keep their head out of the water then all will be fine. They are only using the boat for support and balance. Are you unable to see that or is it you just don't want to see it. Big difference my friend.
The fact you keep going on about this is a poor reflection on you not me.
Stay healthy thom,
Dennis
Apr 14, 2020 16:39:28 #
thom w wrote:
Came late and didn’t bother to read the whole thing I see.
He knew enough to put down your inaccurate theory though didn't he thommie? All common sense my friend, common sense. Look it up under C.
Dennis
Apr 14, 2020 16:40:09 #
letmedance wrote:
Folks in the water add very little weight to a raft, they only hold on and many displace more water than than their body eight. I could see a problem with hypothermia in chilly water and maybe even a hungry shark, but I would give it a try as opposed to letting 20 people perish.
That was my thinking too. Thanks.
Be well my friend,
Dennis
Apr 14, 2020 17:17:00 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15870/coronavirus-elderly-abandoned
A sampler of Bernie Sanders-style 'socialized medicine.'
A sampler of Bernie Sanders-style 'socialized medicine.'
why wait for Sanders we have the GOP today
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Apr 14, 2020 17:25:59 #
Fotoartist wrote:
Is everybody enjoying their free 30 day trial of Socialism?
Trump has his own version. Die for the economy.
Apr 14, 2020 18:07:50 #
RixPix wrote:
Trump has his own version. Die for the economy.
But so far that isn't happening is it. That is just another projection by ignorant Left Wingers who hope that America will fail so they can tell us, Told you so. Problem is America is not failing. It is already starting to pick itself up once again. Damn that must be one hell of a blow to you and your Liberal friends isn't it? Trump's policies will succeed once again.
Dennis
Apr 14, 2020 20:12:09 #
thom w
Loc: San Jose, CA
letmedance wrote:
Folks in the water add very little weight to a raft, they only hold on and many displace more water than than their body eight. I could see a problem with hypothermia in chilly water and maybe even a hungry shark, but I would give it a try as opposed to letting 20 people perish.
In some waters life span in the water is a matter of minutes. I would presume that those in the life boat will want to travel toward safety as opposed to just sitting there hoping someone will show up. Hangers on in the water will slow the boat and limit the distance it can travel with a given amount of fuel. Each person in the water will displace exactly their body weight, minus what ever weight they are putting on the boat, though I'm not really sure why that is important. Some of you seem a lot more invested in making my example wrong, than I was ever invested.
Apr 14, 2020 20:22:06 #
thom w wrote:
In some waters life span in the water is a matter ... (show quote)
Excepting water temps, it’s definitely easy to survive days in open water. Once trained, it takes less energy to stay alive than sitting in a chair.
Water survival is mostly mental. Very little physical.
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Apr 14, 2020 20:42:02 #
thom w wrote:
In some waters life span in the water is a matter ... (show quote)
little girl your example and your Liberal thinking IS wrong. Nobody should get the choice to deny life to someone else. That is exactly what your idea does, kill 50% of the people to save the other half. Yes hypothermia can set in within minutes. But those people hanging on have a bit more time to enjoy the life they have. Rescue is sometimes possible within minutes even in the real world. Yet your thought process would deny people that chance. What is important to you little girl, being right in this asinine example or saving lives? To you, beating me and others seems to be the goal above saving lives. What a disappointment you must be to your parents. You truly are a Liberal.
Dennis
Apr 14, 2020 20:51:42 #
Angmo wrote:
Excepting water temps, it’s definitely easy to survive days in open water. Once trained, it takes less energy to stay alive than sitting in a chair.
Water survival is mostly mental. Very little physical.
Water survival is mostly mental. Very little physical.
So how does one "except(ing) water temps" (i.e., take water temperature out of the equation) to get to the point that it takes less energy to stay alive in water than sitting in a chair? What is your normal metabolic rate in a chair? What is it in water (pick the temperature you want to discuss)? What part of the physiological response to water immersion can training influence?
Apr 14, 2020 21:20:28 #
JohnFrim wrote:
So how does one "except(ing) water temps" (i.e., take water temperature out of the equation) to get to the point that it takes less energy to stay alive in water than sitting in a chair? What is your normal metabolic rate in a chair? What is it in water (pick the temperature you want to discuss)? What part of the physiological response to water immersion can training influence?
Get qualified. I am. Just used “the google” and study up on Marine Corps Water Survival qualification (the easy stuff) and of course the Marine Combat Instructor Water Survival course work.
I’ve swum as far as 4 miles non-stop. Piece of cake.
Apr 14, 2020 21:49:34 #
Angmo wrote:
Get qualified. I am. Just used “the google” and study up on Marine Corps Water Survival qualification (the easy stuff) and of course the Marine Combat Instructor Water Survival course work.
I’ve swum as far as 4 miles non-stop. Piece of cake.
I’ve swum as far as 4 miles non-stop. Piece of cake.
I lectured military medical staff on thermal physiology, hyperthermia, hypothermia, cold weather survival, cold water immersion, frostbite.
So I ask you again, how do you remove water temperature from the equation, and how do you conclude that it takes less energy to stay alive than sitting in a chair?
Hint: you've been fed BS. You probably believe that 80% of your heat loss in the cold is from the head.
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